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File Uploading

It needs to be enabled. Else our articles are image-less. --Garlic Man 22:49, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

I know you know Garlic. Just pointing it out for other readers, but image uploading is now enabled. -Melchizedek  talk 04:50, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Protection

Could the Main Page be protected? Main Pages are often vandalism targets on any wiki. Super Mario Bros. 00:30, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Actually, at this point, only two users could edit it if we protected it. So I say wait a while. We will protect it after we have a legitimate Main Page. (At this point, the Wiki is too young to be even found by vandals). --Garlic Man 00:31, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
I see what you mean. I agree. Super Mario Bros. 00:37, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
Well, damn. Mel protected it anyway. --Garlic Man 01:29, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
Oh, sorry, I didn't see this. Yeah I protected it as vandalism is probable. :) -Melchizedek  talk 04:48, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

News

We can start adding a "Metroid News" section to the Main Page right now, as the official Japanese website of Other M went online today. Be careful - http://metroid.jp/ is the Other M site, while http://www.metroid.jp/ gives you the Prime site. - Cobold 20:33, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Good stuff. At the moment, it looks like the site is just the one picture and the nice piano music, but we'll be keeping an eye on it for updates. --Garlic Man 21:45, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
I have updated the main page design once again, and have included a "news" section. -Melchizedek  talk 08:41, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
Also, http://metroid.jp/ and http://www.metroid.jp/ now both direct to the Metroid Other M site. -Garlic Man
I don't know if you guys have noticed, but the official site has been updated: http://metroid.jp/ Garlic Man 20:08, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
Can't you update the News page? Hey, you know Japanese right? Does it say that it's being released September 2nd? --Malake256 {Talk | Contribs} 20:37, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
I'll take care of it. Technically, yeah, Garlic man can edit it. But seen as this is his first edit for two months, I'd need to let him know how the news system is working nowadays. -Melchizedek  talk 06:45, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

File Uploading 2

Someone should enable .ogg or .mp3 uploading, so we can back up the music from metroid.jp. Twentytwofiftyseven 04:38, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Added to the list of things to do. By the way, general points of question like that are what we have the Metroid Wiki:Discussion Center for. This page is for the discussion of the main page. :) -Melchizedek  talk 04:48, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
I am not enabling it publicly, but the music from that site can be present here. There is copyright issues we could run into if we let everyone run around adding music files. Nathanial Rumphol-Janc 09:43, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
Okay. Here is the extracted music file, if you need it. Also, will we be keeping the current 2 MB file upload limit? I have a 5000 x 2380 version of the Other M logo, and it's 4.15 MB. (I also have the Other M trailer in the original quality, and it's 47.8 MB...) Twentytwofiftyseven 19:44, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Spacing

Probably due to the fact that we added another news headline, the "Welcome" and "News" boxes on the Main Page now aren't lined up correctly. I don't know how to fix this, however. Garlic Man 18:11, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Is what I fixed what you were meaning? -Melchizedek  talk 05:23, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
They still aren't on the same row. :( Garlic Man 19:44, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
What browser are you using? And can you take a screenshot, because no such problem shows up for me. -Melchizedek  talk 20:13, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
He is correct, some resolutions do appear to have them unproportionate.Steve 02:05, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
Been like that for me since this edit by Steve: http://metroidwiki.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&diff=next&oldid=893
I doubt it's a resolution issue since I have a widescreen, so it is probably an issue with Google Chrome. Triforce (T C) 03:23, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
I have gone on a testing spree. Basically, the coding works perfectly in Firefox. It is in line and has curved edges. In IE, the news box is pushed underneath the welcome box. In Google Chrome the text of the two boxes overlaps, making it illegible, which is the same for Safari. So, we'll need to fix that up for cross browser compatibility, which is on the list to do: though only Firefox is going to have the rounded edges, no matter what is done.-Melchizedek  talk 05:00, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
Okay. Issue has been fixed. -Melchizedek  talk 08:43, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
You can actually get the round borders in many browsers, it's just that you do it differently. Instead of "-moz-border-radius" you need "-webkit-border-radius" (for safari, chrome, and a few others) "-khtml-border-radius" (for konquerer) or just "border-radius" (for everything else that supports round borders). That does mean you need to write essentially the same thing 4 times for full support, however... so maybe just put a round border class into monobook.css. Twentytwofiftyseven 23:05, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
Hey, thanks, I didn't know that. I'll get round to it. -Melchizedek  talk 08:33, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Wikitroid

I don't get it. Why are you guys making a second Wikitroid? How is that practical? 76.116.73.125 23:32, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

What's this Wikitroid? I never heard of it. 66.140.75.71 00:13, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
http://metroid.wikia.com/ It has 2,165 articles and they aren't all stubs like the ones here. 76.116.73.125 00:14, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
There's already multiple Zelda wikis, Mario wikis, Pokemon wikis, etc., so I fail to see why a second Metroid wiki is any different. And for the record, this wiki is just starting out.Steve 00:15, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
You pointed out that there are multiple wikis (of which, I only know that Zelda has two "high-class" wikis), however you didn't justify the creation of this second Wikitroid. Like I said, it doesn't seem pratical to request peoples' time to do something that was already done. 76.116.73.125 00:17, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
This was created out of Metroid fans wanting to collaborate together and form a wiki, the same as any other. Steve 00:21, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
I don't get it. Why not just work on the existing articles? Having two Zelda wikis is bad enough. 76.116.73.125 00:22, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
At this point you need to just leave, because if you truly believe we are no good, then there's no logic in you being here. Steve 00:26, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Wikia has totalitarian administrators that nobody even knows who they are. I guess we'll just laugh in their faces once we're bigger than them. --Garlic Man 00:52, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

I don't need to leave, and you are being hostile. I'm trying to see if you guys are doing something worth doing or asking people to waste their time. From your responses, it appears to be the latter, but I'd love for you to prove me wrong. 76.116.73.125 00:54, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
Well quit wasting your precious time by whining about it then. Garlic Man 00:56, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Hello, Garlic Man. I'm ChozoBoy, an administrator and the top contributor to Wikitroid. I enjoy making art, reading novels, and designing games with educational components. Now you know who I am, but we still do not know who you are! :)

By the way, I don't believe I've ever seen you at Wikitroid in the past few years I've been editing there. ChozoBoy 01:01, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Was that IP address you? Garlic Man 01:05, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
No, I've already posed this question on my talk page, however. I was posting a news story about this project when I came back to look for a response and discovered that I was a totalitarian! :( ChozoBoy 01:11, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
Ok, first off welcome guys, and I apologize for the initial hostility of the the two admins, they may have reacted a bit harsh. They have had some very bad experiences at wikia in general over the years. I figured some wikitroid folks would eventually come over here and be like "so bros, wtf!". Let me explain a few things, as I am the founder of this site. Metroid Wiki has no hostile feelings towards Wikitroid itself, I am sure you guys are good folk with solid goals, and I respect the work you guys have done. Unfortunately, wikitroid is not an independent Wiki, which is the significant difference between the two wikis, just like it is a big difference between the Mario Wikia and Super Mario Wiki, as well as Zelda Pedia and Zelda Wiki. What this means is: This wiki doesn't exist to line the pockets of another. Now, obviously, you guys don't feel that way, and you shouldn't. To you, Wikitroid is a solid wiki on a solid network. Unfortunately, wikia is a network purely designed around lineing the pockets of the two people that own it. They have tried on several occasions to buy out Zelda Wiki to combine it's content into Zelda Pedia, and buying out wiki's is exactly the business they are in: Just so they can turn around and force a layout as well as their own standards, and enforce giant advertisements which do nothing but get in the way.
I think you guys can agree, just on initial entrance here, that this wiki's look and feel is much cleaner, and that's just one of several advantages being an independent wiki has. I get the whole "why exist when another does it" - it's the same argument for fan sites. I run Zelda Informer, but why have a Zelda fan site when there is Zelda Universe and Zelda Dungeon? The better question is... why not? Our policies we feel are much more user friendly, and no one gets to line their pockets here at MW: All add revenue goes directly to hosting, and if there is spill over, it will be used for contests and the like to give it right back to those that contribute. Think of this wiki as more a "community oriented" wiki, where as wikitroid, by default of being part of the wikia network, exist to make money. I know it's a hard concept to wrap the mind around, but unfortunately that is what wikia has always been, and always will be. Part of me feels bad for people like you guys that put so much effort into the wiki's there so others can reap the benfits, all while having to conform to ugly layouts and their standards with giant forced ads. It's something we don't do here, and we pride ourselves in the community aspect of being a wiki. Nathanial Rumphol-Janc 01:15, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
Yes, I love the layout (We just switched ours recently, but I'd love for whoever did this one to lend us a hand!), however our policies aren't exactly very strict, as suggested. Most are derived from RfA's, in which any user may vote. You've mentioned profit quite a few times. Why is profit a concern if none of us are actually concerned with it? (Our goals obviously being to make information readily available.) ChozoBoy 01:26, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
I apologize if I rubbed off as being hostile, it just seemed you were trying to start a fight, and as Nathan has said, I haven't exactly had the best of dealings with Wikia.Steve 01:44, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
Certainly not! I'm only inquiring. This anti-Wikia sentiment is new to me. I only really see user contributions at Wikitroid and nothing coming from Wikia has ever gotten me in a tizzy because they aren't around there so I'm not sure whether we are "the rule" or "the exception".
I guess my real question then would be: What exactly is there to be gained in remaking Wikitroid (several of the larger articles here are already rewrites of Wikitroid articles), that wouldn't be surpassed in applying the same level of contribution to the areas that we still need editors to develop over there? ChozoBoy 01:49, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
The bottom line is, we exist because wikitroid is on wikia. Like I said, I have nothing personal against wikitroid, except that it is on, and obviously because it there, supports the wikia network. We, essentially, are anti wikia. They buy out independent wiki's to form what is, essentially, a powerhouse network to feed to their money grubbing hands. Have you seen your Samus Aran page? Never mind that the actual content of it is pretty good - the whole page to is ruined because there 6, count it, 6 banner ads on that page alone. No matter how good the content is, the constant enforcement of wikia banners, especially in those numbers is astounding. Like I said, it's not that wikitroid is a bad wiki, it's that it supports a money grubbing network, or heck for all I know, may have been bought out by said money grubbing network, as they tried to do with Zelda Wiki, did with WoW Wikia, and several other wiki's on their network. Essentially, Wikia is trying to own the net, and eliminate the ability for independent wiki's to exist and be successful. This is why wiki's like this one, Bulbapedia (pokemon wiki), Super Mario Wiki, and Zelda Wiki exist - because we all firmly believe that independent wiki's are the best. Even if they don't have much say on your policies in general, they do have a significant say in teh layout (all wikia's essentially work and look exactly the same, just with different colors) and they all our overrun with monetizing ads. No this doesn't effect you personally.
As I said, this isn't anything against wikitroid - it's the wikia network we do not support, which is why we cannot support Wikitroid, as it is guilty by association. They are trying to buy out the internet, and we are trying to prevent it. Nathanial Rumphol-Janc 02:45, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
I only see the small banners in the lower sidebar and on the very bottom of the page, though I realize that anonymous editors may see one or two more. I doubt that Wikia is trying to "buy out the internet", only wikis (which is sort of their niche, obviously). Suppose that I'm not really bothered by the small ads on the side and bottom, and that I don't care that Wikia makes some funds to fuel more wikis off of the charity work that we do. Is their any other justification to support a complete reworking of this type of thing?
I'm just wondering if this is something I ought to be paying more attention to, because a few of you are very passionate about it, but only seem to be grasping at straws from my perspective. I couldn't say I'd be interested in reestablishing the structure we've built, foresaking the edits I've made, or dropping the projects we're working on in favor of starting from scratch just to drive Wikia to the ground. ChozoBoy 03:01, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
And I'm not asking you to, I am merely explaining to you our position. As for the Samus Aran page: You have the top banner, one below the bottom right of the Samus Aran details, one on the bottom left under wikia answers, 2 at the bottom of the article, and 3 at the bottom of the layout. Thats 8 ads, which basically appear on every page of the wiki. It's monestized, the entire wiki is, and they only want it on their network for money purposes. Did you read that? EIGHT ads. Not even a big gaming site like ign has that many - they top out at 4 if you count the background image. We have had several dealing with the people who run wikia (the two people), and it's clear what their intention is. It's not really grasping at straws - an entirely new network for independent wiki's is in the works to try and counter wikia, because of how they do business. Wiki's are also not "their niche" - they created a network and started buying out wiki's, thats not a niche, that's a corporation. Think google buying out youtube, does that mean daily motion shouldn't exist? Nathanial Rumphol-Janc 03:34, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Just to interject here for a moment. Most Wikia ads are hidden for members of Wikia. So if you are an editor for a Wikia wiki, then most ads are hidden for you when you are logged into it. But most people that view wikis are just viewers, not editors. They are the people you have to think about when it comes to ads. --Matt 05:30, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Examining some of the articles here, I've noticed that these wikis bear advertisements as well. (The double-underlined blue links that create Mouseover bubbles found here, and the green ones at Zelda Wiki.) Your new Samus Aran stub article already has one advertisement and the Metroid Fusion article already contains seven. These advertisements even display for the editors, and aren't related to the wiki. Those described at Wikitroid are for Wikia Spotlight, which Wikitroid plans to apply for shortly, so we will be advertised at all of the Wikia wikis in conjunction with the upcoming release of Metroid: Other M. ChozoBoy 05:59, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
ChozoBoy, let me introduce myself, Cipriano 119 here. I really don't see the benefit of the constant inquisition coming from your side. Really, if someone wants to create a wiki on Metroid, let them do so! Who cares if there is another established one! To be honest, it's about time another wiki showed up in challenge of Wikitroid, as most other Nintendo games have at least two wikis to choose from. Regardless of specifics, this wiki is completely entitled to do what it is doing. I respect Wikitroid very much, and do see that this wiki is a long ways away from achieving the prestige the Wikia site has, but please, at least give this site some time! =) cipriano one nineteen < T > 06:15, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
Because a few users have now made comments like this, I'm going to have to repeat that I'm inquiring and not e-bullying. I was looking for the justification, and the explanation appears to have been expended. ChozoBoy 06:22, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
It's called inline text advertising, and it's to pay our bills. There can be a maximum of 8 total words underlined, that is way more unubtrusive then 8 banner related ads that take up the whole wiki. On top of that, they are used to pay for our hosting - it's not free, you know. Also, you think your ads are actually all related to wikia and your wiki? really? Log out once and take a gander. Ad for Dante's Inferno, Advertisments for Food, Google Adsense is present, just saw a king and conquere online mmorpg ad, and a sprint telephone ad. A majority of your viewers wont be the editors, the folk that log in and do stuff, just people there to research information, adn that is what those people see. That is where wikia makes all it's money. We make like, 12 cents a day. New Samus Aran Stub... you do realize we just went live like... 3 days ago right? All the pages are new, and inline text ads are random. They pick a word out that it has an ad for, and it's hidden unless you mouse over. SOme apges will have a max of 8 total words, some wont have more then 1 or 2. We don't control that, of course I can, but at 12 cents a day it's hardly something to moderate at this time. Are you really comparing inline text ads to piss loads of banner ads? Your wiki, as a guess off the top of my head, prolly produces around 800$ a month for Wikia, while it costs 30$ a month for the wiki to be online. Were just covering our server bills, and the rest goes to contests - wikia is just making bank role off you guys, and I am sorry you don't see it that way.
I don't really see why you keep pressing the issue, to be honest. It's pretty obvious were not going anywhere. Nathanial Rumphol-Janc 06:23, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
I apologize. I was hoping that after setting this wiki up, that you would be able to go somewhere. ChozoBoy 06:25, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
And were not? We've been online for 2 to 3 days. We have active users, and content is being made. What do you expect? Nathanial Rumphol-Janc 06:34, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
I thought we were discussing the premise for this new wiki? ChozoBoy 06:37, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
I think the premise has been pretty well discussed. It's like we said from the start: We are an independent Metroid Wiki, that is the reason of our existence. There are plenty examples of other independent wiki's out there who have great success, even with a wikia counterpart. We have expressed our severe distaste for what wikia stands for, and how we like what were doing. Not sure what more a premise you are looking for. It seems like your digging for a reason to leave wikitroid for this project, and I don't have one to give you except that we are free of wikia, something that doesn't bother you. Nathanial Rumphol-Janc 06:41, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
Competition is good for the economy, so get over it. -Melchizedek  talk 08:28, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Ah, there's nothing like a common enemy to drive a website into new heights! Uncle Meat 08:52, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Now, in all seriosusness. There are two types of wiki's on the internet. Independent ones, and others that are hosted at places like Wikia. I won't delve into wiki philosophy, but many wiki users dislike Wikia, and prefer independent wikis, that are run by fans out of their own pockets. They like communities, where the only advertising we use is to keep ourselves online, not to make profit.
Wikitroid and Metroid Wiki are going to have to coexist. This doesn't mean we have to be best friends, as the philosophy of independent wikis is quite against Wikia, but we don't have to be childish. I know of plenty of cases between independent and Wikia wikis where there is fighting, inter-wiki vandalism, and often all out war. We don't want that with Wikitroid ChozoBoy. Yes, we are competitors, or rivals if you will, but we're civil. We won't tolerate our members doing anything disrespectful to Wikitroid simply out of wiki pride, and we won't tolerate direct copying of material from Wikitroid. What we seek is simply for our two wikis to exist, and to be competing, but to leave each other alone. Let's compete through content quality, not by vandalism as so many have done before us. We only hope, that you are kind enough to return this favor. -Melchizedek  talk 10:42, 11 February 2010 (UTC)


And so we find ourselves at an impasse, MetroidWiki and Wikitroid. I see no oncoming "war" as you put it, only sincere frustration at the matter of Wikitroid articles being, dare I say, stolen. The fact that neither of this Wiki's members can accept the possibilities of said acts, only furthers the conflict. Also, I do not recall any of Wikitroid's users behaving "childishly" over this matter, but mere concern. Wikitroid simply wishes to ensure, the very laws that govern this type of matter be held in account. I expect this Wiki's authorities to ensure that the felony of Plagiarism does not find it's way into the desperation of furthering this site's "borders". And if it has occurred, I expect you to ensure it does not in the future. Though as has been mentioned no current member of this Wiki, truly holds any knowledge of the Metroid series and it's entirety. So it would occur to me, that your only real way of filling these articles, would be to either commit said crimes, or rely on anonymous contributions. Neither of which are effective enough to rely on however. So just as well, I do not see this "reference of Metroid data" to be active for very long as you have no true knowledge of what you are doing, Metroid or otherwise, this being demonstrated by your actions of immediate hostility and "bully, bully" attitudes. Just remember to keep in mind for as long as this Wiki remains active, that "stealing" Wikitroid's articular information is a federal crime, and is, by law, punishable by up to 4-6 years imprisonment. Please do not allow this to happen again, if not for the first time. If this does happen, rest assured, action will be taken. Thank you.
Senior Wikitroid Administrator,
Piratehunter 22:29, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
"Just remember to keep in mind for as long as this Wiki remains active, that "stealing" Wikitroid's articular information is a federal crime, and is, by law, punishable by up to 4-6 years imprisonment." This is false. We are writing about similar information, we cannot be thrown in jail for that. Leminnes 23:49, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
Dude, if you honestly think we would steal from Wikitroid after the thousands of times we have had to pound it into Zeldapedia's head that they need to stop stealing from us, you're an idiot. The sites cover the same topics, they are going to be similar. The only way we can make the pages not identical in the slightest is if we lied and put false info. So get off your high horse and accept that you have competition now. Triforce (T C) 22:50, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
Also, if you noticed: Outside of Mel and Garlic, every user here has played metroid games. Have any of us played "all" of the metroid games? Of course not. Heck, a lot of us hail from the Zelda realm and haven't even played all of those games. I assure you, this wiki exists because fans of the series demanded it. The people contributing have, in fact, played metroid titles. Nathanial Rumphol-Janc 22:52, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

It appears incivility is truly a virtue here. No matter you've been warned, that's all that matters to me at this given moment. I am only here to insure you know of the consequences, not to pass blame. And again when speaking to me I tend to take what is said much more seriously when it does not contain terms such as: "idiot" and "get off your high horse" (i.e. civil conversation). And please read my comments carefully, as I at no point accused you of plagiary, I simply informed you of the consequences. Of which I am seemingly being utterly prosecuted for. Please remember I am not here to cause trouble, I am simply here to try in keeping this matter civil, and ensuring everyone knows what not to do. And I do apologize on behalf of my co-workers if their comments seemed brutish in some way. They have seperate ways of dealing with these things. :) Thanks again. Piratehunter 23:04, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

And that's why you accused us of never playing Metroid? I'm a member of MDB, BTW.

If you had read anything, you would have known that we have been through enough crap with the other wikias that we are the last wiki you need to preach about to plagiarism. How you honestly expected anyone to see that as anything other than accusing us of plagiarism is beyond me. Triforce (T C) 23:08, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Just saw your edit. I really had no problems with Wikitroid in the past and even edited there for a little bit and I really don't want that to change. Triforce (T C) 23:11, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for clearing that up. I was a bit confused a second ago as it seemed you'd completely disregarded my explanation. :) Please, again, I don't intend for my comments to be accusative, personally, though I can't say the same about my colleagues. As I stated earlier they have different ways of going about these things. I just want to make sure this doesn't get out of control. I never said you folks did anything, just making sure you know not to. Don't take it personally. :) Piratehunter 23:18, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
Glad we got that sorted out. Sorry for the misunderstanding Triforce (T C) 23:21, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
No, no, I'm sorry for all this. ChozoBoy can be a bit headstrong at times. You just have to learn not to take it all that seriously. Just so it's clear to everyone that copying articles and whatnot is not a desirable thing in any case, I've done what I wish to do. :) Though we will more than likely be taking a number of precautions due to this accusation. Again, don't take it personally. Hope everything goes well (but not too well...) :) Thanks again. Piratehunter 23:31, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
I never really attacked Wikitroid, or called you personally an idiot. What baffles me I guess is your hear warning us... when we haven't done anything to be warned about. Thats the issue. When you mention the 4-6 years in prison and all this law stuff - it's not that I am ignoring it, it's that none of it even applies in anything presently going on. We have not broken any laws, so when it's brought up as you say (a warning), it appears as a threat. We are well aware of what we can and cannot do legally. If you feel we have broken the law, it is nice to come to us, but if we find it we haven't... then what? I don't hate wikitroid, I have never disliked it, I just don't like wikia and think we can possibly, long term, provide a better product. I wish wikitroid to stay around: Competing wiki's make the content better. Zelda Wiki would not be nearly as good as it is without Zelda Pedia, and vice versa. Through that has come copy paste jobs, which broke neither license agreement, but were shunned upon. Those jobs were simply taken, destroyed, and made 100 times better. I think this is all on the wrong foot here. We started heated right off the bat: I don't wish it to be so. I am just saying that when legal terms are being thrown around when a law wasn't broken, it's a scare tactic. It's hard to appreciate scare tactics from a direct competitor. Nathanial Rumphol-Janc 00:02, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
So are we all clear that this was all a big misunderstanding then? ;)Piratehunter 00:05, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
Unbelievable. You come here with your patronising warnings about federal crimes etc. (which are unnecessary and frankly rude and threatening, then say "ChozoBoy can be headstrong". As for the rest of you... Good look on the wiki. Hellkaiserryo12 17:23, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Image Copyright

Hello sirs, I was wonding, is it required to have the copyright on all images? If so, I would happily go around and add it to images. I have done some (2, I belive, maybe 3) already, but I have decided it wouldbe a better idea to ask first.The Skull 10:24, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Yes, every image is supposed to have the appropriate copyright template. To quote from the Quality Standards: "All images uploaded should be tagged with an image sourcing template to identify its copyrights." Greatly appreciated if you're willing to make sure all of the current images have their copyrights. :) -Melchizedek  talk 11:01, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Of course, I'll try. I'm not exactly new to the series but there isn't much that I can post.

Edit Just to safe, I don't place the copyright thingy on images that have nothing to do with the games, like the image examples do I? The Skull 11:54, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

The image examples would use the {{ImageSelf}} template. Check out the Help:Image Sourcing for what templates to add to what images. -Melchizedek  talk 22:11, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Image examples are locked. No templates for other pictures like the logo and affiliates banners. The Skull 10:17, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

For any protected images you come across, make a note on the talk page that an admin should deal with the copyright template. Every picture will have one template that applies to it. The logo and affiliate banners would be {{ImageSelf|A}}, with the appropriate username inserted where the A is. You would have to look at the file history to see who originally uploaded the file as to what to insert where the A is. -Melchizedek  talk 11:14, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Content Boxes

Some pages already have them, but I can't find it in the source. How do you add them? The Skull 19:11, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Hm ... It seems that when you add a heading and place a sub-heading below it they are added automatically. The Skull 21:16, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

I assume you're meaning the page Contents Menu. The menu only appears when there is a certain amount of headings (not sure on the exact number, but it might be four). You can force a table of Contents to appear by typing __TOC__ where you want it to show. -Melchizedek  talk 22:14, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Ah, thanks. The Skull 10:05, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Why do you hate Wikia?

It's clear that you hate Wikia for some reason, but that's never been disclosed. Were any of our wikis copying yours? Cause if so, I'll make sure that it stops. Because trust me, this conflict is getting annoying. And no, this time I'm not blaming the admins. --RoyboyX 20:18, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

All I know is is that some random members of Zelda Wiki started copying Zeldapedia and even though ZW's admins dealt with it, ZP's admins started copying us, claiming it was the same thing, and for a long time would not stop copying us and every time we brought it up we were flamed and they claimed we were the ones acting like children. But that's just what I've seen/heard and I know there is more to it than that. Triforce (T C) 20:30, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
Actually, Bobby, that's about the whole of it. But we don't hate Wikia or anything. We've just had bad experiences with them. I would love to be on good terms with a wiki from Wikia, much like WiKirby and the Kirby Wikia are. I'm hoping Metroid and Wikitroid will learn to coexist in peace._Neo(U) (T) (C)(Home) 21:08, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
Let be a bit clear: There are several reasons that we dislike Wikia in general that are not just related to the relations between wiki's. It's no secret that ZP and ZW have not gotten along pretty much ever, and that Wikitroid severely dislikes the fact we even exist, to the point of making legal threats and saying some very harsh things about us, including claiming we use "black" SEO tactics, which simply isn't true.
Despite all this, it only hurts the relations between Wikitroid and Meteroid Wiki. The idea behind the NIWA Network and the whole independent wiki ordeal is not due to personal interwiki relations (though they don't help), but due to how Wikia is ran in general. It's well documented all over the net exactly how Wikia works, and how many of us have had personal dealings with wikia in regards to buying out our wiki's, using some underhanded empty promises to make it so. For some, this does make sense. If you are an upstart wiki that doesn't exist for x product and you can't afford hosting: What wikia offers is enticing.
For wiki's who are already established or are growing on their own, what wikia offers is nothing short of a straight up buy out. In this buy out, you have to sacrifice the integrity of the wiki. You are required to change your legal license, and for guests to have double digit ads on almost every page. Some of the ads advertise fellow wiki's, some are just product ads. The point is... it's clutter. Most wiki's have ads, most don't overdo it like Wikia does. Add on top of exactly how wikia runs at the top and you can see some issues with it in general. Like I said, google "why we left wikia" you will find a lot of stuff out there that shows/tells you exactly why you shouldn't be with wikia.
Again, I don't want relations to be so rough with wikitroid, but were not the one sgoing to their wiki and tearing them down, they are coming to our wiki and being fairly hostile. Obviously, no one takes hostility very well. Nathanial Rumphol-Janc 21:22, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
Well then, let me be clearer about our issues: We are not trying to find the most irrelevant arguments in an attempt to start what I'd call wiki-drama. We actually like the new competition to some extent. On the other hand, we don't like competition that goes out of their way to best the other with tactics that make them look better than they truthfully are. For example, saying that you are the "authoritative" wiki on your main page when we don't outright brag / "lie" about our wiki size (you guys need way more content to get the title of authoritative). Additionally, you guys resorted to what Garlic Man called "redundant" when it came to your link flood, not to mention this post, which clearly outlines what you're trying to do with this SEO. To us, it's dirty because it's manipulating a bot into believing that you are better than Wikitroid, even though at this point you are not even close to becoming as large as we are. It's this we consider dirty. That aside, I understand why you guys don't like Wikia; I hate the ads myself, and since Wikia's quite frankly ad-centric, I sometimes feel as if it's overdoing it myself. Still, we're willing to compromise for the large ads, but for some reason, I'm not so sure about you given this page. On the Misc section on the second bullet reads Banner Ads. The fact that you have something like this suggests to me that you guys don't intend to keep this place Banner Ad-free, which is quite surprising given your firm stance that our banner ads are too much clutter on our wiki. Whether or not you guys will strive to maintain your word is yet to be seen. Anyways, the relations between Wikitroid and Metroid Wiki have cooled, I don't think we'll see another major argument anytime soon. Keep in mind, though, that we'll be watching for anything over-the-top at this point. RAN1 13:34, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
Have you ever bought shampoo? If you have you probably noticed how no matter which shampoo you buy the package will claim that it's THE shampoo. It will make your hair 30% more shiny and contains unicorn horn extract. Most will go as far as saying that this is the BEST shampoo out there. The second you show me a bottle of shampoo that says "Yeah, this isn't the best shampoo out there, but you should still give it a shot because we're getting better every day!" I will personally go and take those words down from Metroid Wiki's front page. --Uncle Meat 20:14, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
You've just committed a logical fallacy, specifically the straw man fallacy. Our position goes like this: If you're touting your shampoo as the best, you actually have soap in the bottle. You guys are touting your shampoo as the best, but you only have water in the bottle (something which is illegal in the real world, I should mention). We wouldn't object to you guys using SEO if you had any content. RAN1 23:51, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
No idea why banner ads is listed there. We presently have no plans of putting banner ads on the site, but if some day we did deem it necessary it would never be more than 3. One at the top, bottom, and sidebar. Not 3 or 4 at the top, 2 or 3 on teh side, 3 or 4 at the bottom, and then additional ads throughout the actual content. It's one thing to make profits off a site, it's another to completely monotize the hell of it to a point that it hurts the user experience.
I can understand not liking that term used on the front page from a competitors stand point. I have criticized many Zelda sites for claiming they are the best when it's clear they aren't. Using that shampoo reference, some companies are well aware their shampoo isn't the best, but they say it anyways. They are aware that it wont make your hair 30% shinier, fuller, etc etc. Is it false advertising? I guess, though that term has absolutely NOTHING to do with SEO and the actual advertising of the wiki itself. Now in terms of SEO and everything that is "listed" on that post you guys like to bring up...
None of that is "black seo". We do have content - 166 pages as of this post worth of content. We are taking this content and getting it out there. We aren't telling google to simply rank us #1 because we rock, we are telling them where we want them to spider our site. This does NOT guarentee anything other than that google will repeatedly check said pages for updates, and it is in those updates that we rise up google. When google isn't given a direction to look for content, it does it randomly. It will never spider your whole site in one run, let alone the most relevant content such as game pages or major characters, things that people are actually searching for in google. We also gave google a sitemap, which serves a similar purpose. None of that is black SEO. We aren't telling google to go to pages of content that don't exist. Were telling them to go to pages that will see repeated updates and to take that content and possibly rank it higher. All of what is in that post is an effort to get google to get our pages out there to people. No, we don't have 2,000 articles, but is it wrong to take what we do have and get it out there? No, I would think not.
We are do not lie about our wiki size. It says how big we are right on the front with the article count. It says before you even read that paragraph that we are new. We are not hiding what we are. Speaking in the plainest of senses, neither of our wiki's can be "the authorative source". It would make us an official source... were not, your not. It's just a word on the internet at this point. I honestly don't see (outside of that word) how we have gone out of our way to make us look better than we are. We are simply telling google what pages we want to get ranked for, and in doing so, telling them what pages to continually crawl. We do have content, even if you want to say all you want that have nowhere near the content Wikitroid has. We are not pretending to. We are simply taking what we do have and putting it on google. No crime no foul.Nathanial Rumphol-Janc 06:39, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, I was talking about the introductory text that you referred to. Not SEO. But yeah, I have to say I totally agree with Nathan on this one. There's nothing wrong with the SEO MW has up there. It's a normal way to make your site discoverable, which is necessary for it to develop. I can see why a competitor doesn't want that to happen, but hey, these are fan pages bfor a video game. Is it really something to get so worked up about? :) --Uncle Meat 19:18, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Round borders

I ported over WiKirby's template for rounding borders easily in most browsers. Just replace -moz-border-radius:Xpx with {{round|x}} to get it done. Treat the template like a style command and place a semicolon after it if it isn't the last item in the styling. The X will be the radius, and it defaults to 15 if it isn't defined._Neo(U) (T) (C)(Home) 16:52, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Good work mah boi. -Melchizedek  talk 23:06, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

"Blanking Out"

I noticed that a lot of articles have history of being completely blanked and then revised again. I can't remember the user at the top of my head, but i remember a few articles, like the Hypermode article and Frigate Orpheon article to have been erased. Nuisance, yes. Vandalism? Maybe. -TheSuperZeldaMan 3:15 April 30, 2010 (PCS)

Yeah we were hit by a vandal a week or two ago that blanked about 3/4 of the wiki. It was taken care of. :) Nathanial Rumphol-Janc 23:57, 1 May 2010 (UTC)