Talk:Main Page

File Uploading

It needs to be enabled. Else our articles are image-less. --Garlic Man 22:49, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

I know you know Garlic. Just pointing it out for other readers, but image uploading is now enabled. -Melchizedek  ^talk 04:50, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Protection

Could the Main Page be protected? Main Pages are often vandalism targets on any wiki. Super Mario Bros. 00:30, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Actually, at this point, only two users could edit it if we protected it. So I say wait a while. We will protect it after we have a legitimate Main Page. (At this point, the Wiki is too young to be even found by vandals). --Garlic Man 00:31, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

I see what you mean. I agree. Super Mario Bros. 00:37, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Well, damn. Mel protected it anyway. --Garlic Man 01:29, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Oh, sorry, I didn't see this. Yeah I protected it as vandalism is probable. :) -Melchizedek  ^talk 04:48, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

News

We can start adding a "Metroid News" section to the Main Page right now, as the official Japanese website of Other M went online today. Be careful - http://metroid.jp/ is the Other M site, while http://www.metroid.jp/ gives you the Prime site. - Cobold 20:33, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Good stuff. At the moment, it looks like the site is just the one picture and the nice piano music, but we'll be keeping an eye on it for updates. --Garlic Man 21:45, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

I have updated the main page design once again, and have included a "news" section. -Melchizedek  ^talk 08:41, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Also, http://metroid.jp/ and http://www.metroid.jp/ now both direct to the Metroid Other M site. -Garlic Man

File Uploading 2

Someone should enable .ogg or .mp3 uploading, so we can back up the music from metroid.jp. Twentytwofiftyseven 04:38, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Added to the list of things to do. By the way, general points of question like that are what we have the Metroid Wiki:Discussion Center for. This page is for the discussion of the main page. :) -Melchizedek  ^talk 04:48, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

I am not enabling it publicly, but the music from that site can be present here. There is copyright issues we could run into if we let everyone run around adding music files. Nathanial Rumphol-Janc 09:43, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Okay. Here is the extracted music file, if you need it. Also, will we be keeping the current 2 MB file upload limit? I have a 5000 x 2380 version of the Other M logo, and it's 4.15 MB. (I also have the Other M trailer in the original quality, and it's 47.8 MB...) Twentytwofiftyseven 19:44, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Spacing

Probably due to the fact that we added another news headline, the "Welcome" and "News" boxes on the Main Page now aren't lined up correctly. I don't know how to fix this, however. Garlic Man 18:11, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Is what I fixed what you were meaning? -Melchizedek  ^talk 05:23, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

They still aren't on the same row. :( Garlic Man 19:44, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

What browser are you using? And can you take a screenshot, because no such problem shows up for me. -Melchizedek  ^talk 20:13, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

He is correct, some resolutions do appear to have them unproportionate.Steve 02:05, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Been like that for me since this edit by Steve: http://metroidwiki.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&diff=next&oldid=893

I doubt it's a resolution issue since I have a widescreen, so it is probably an issue with Google Chrome. Triforce ^{(T C)} 03:23, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

I have gone on a testing spree. Basically, the coding works perfectly in Firefox. It is in line and has curved edges. In IE, the news box is pushed underneath the welcome box. In Google Chrome the text of the two boxes overlaps, making it illegible, which is the same for Safari. So, we'll need to fix that up for cross browser compatibility, which is on the list to do: though only Firefox is going to have the rounded edges, no matter what is done.-Melchizedek  ^talk 05:00, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Okay. Issue has been fixed. -Melchizedek  ^talk 08:43, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

You can actually get the round borders in many browsers, it's just that you do it differently. Instead of "-moz-border-radius" you need "-webkit-border-radius" (for safari, chrome, and a few others) "-khtml-border-radius" (for konquerer) or just "border-radius" (for everything else that supports round borders). That does mean you need to write essentially the same thing 4 times for full support, however... so maybe just put a round border class into monobook.css. Twentytwofiftyseven 23:05, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Hey, thanks, I didn't know that. I'll get round to it. -Melchizedek  ^talk 08:33, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Wikitroid

I don't get it. Why are you guys making a second Wikitroid? How is that practical? 76.116.73.125 23:32, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

What's this Wikitroid? I never heard of it. 66.140.75.71 00:13, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

http://metroid.wikia.com/ It has 2,165 articles and they aren't all stubs like the ones here. 76.116.73.125 00:14, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

There's already multiple Zelda wikis, Mario wikis, Pokemon wikis, etc., so I fail to see why a second Metroid wiki is any different. And for the record, this wiki is just starting out.Steve 00:15, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

You pointed out that there are multiple wikis (of which, I only know that Zelda has two "high-class" wikis), however you didn't justify the creation of this second Wikitroid. Like I said, it doesn't seem pratical to request peoples' time to do something that was already done. 76.116.73.125 00:17, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

This was created out of Metroid fans wanting to collaborate together and form a wiki, the same as any other. Steve 00:21, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

I don't get it. Why not just work on the existing articles? Having two Zelda wikis is bad enough. 76.116.73.125 00:22, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

At this point you need to just leave, because if you truly believe we are no good, then there's no logic in you being here. Steve 00:26, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Wikia has totalitarian administrators that nobody even knows who they are. I guess we'll just laugh in their faces once we're bigger than them. --Garlic Man 00:52, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

I don't need to leave, and you are being hostile. I'm trying to see if you guys are doing something worth doing or asking people to waste their time. From your responses, it appears to be the latter, but I'd love for you to prove me wrong. 76.116.73.125 00:54, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Well quit wasting your precious time by whining about it then. Garlic Man 00:56, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Hello, Garlic Man. I'm ChozoBoy, an administrator and the top contributor to Wikitroid. I enjoy making art, reading novels, and designing games with educational components. Now you know who I am, but we still do not know who you are! :)

By the way, I don't believe I've ever seen you at Wikitroid in the past few years I've been editing there. ChozoBoy 01:01, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Was that IP address you? Garlic Man 01:05, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

No, I've already posed this question on my talk page, however. I was posting a news story about this project when I came back to look for a response and discovered that I was a totalitarian! :( ChozoBoy 01:11, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Ok, first off welcome guys, and I apologize for the initial hostility of the the two admins, they may have reacted a bit harsh. They have had some very bad experiences at wikia in general over the years. I figured some wikitroid folks would eventually come over here and be like "so bros, wtf!". Let me explain a few things, as I am the founder of this site. Metroid Wiki has no hostile feelings towards Wikitroid itself, I am sure you guys are good folk with solid goals, and I respect the work you guys have done. Unfortunately, wikitroid is not an independent Wiki, which is the significant difference between the two wikis, just like it is a big difference between the Mario Wikia and Super Mario Wiki, as well as Zelda Pedia and Zelda Wiki. What this means is: This wiki doesn't exist to line the pockets of another. Now, obviously, you guys don't feel that way, and you shouldn't. To you, Wikitroid is a solid wiki on a solid network. Unfortunately, wikia is a network purely designed around lineing the pockets of the two people that own it. They have tried on several occasions to buy out Zelda Wiki to combine it's content into Zelda Pedia, and buying out wiki's is exactly the business they are in: Just so they can turn around and force a layout as well as their own standards, and enforce giant advertisements which do nothing but get in the way.

I think you guys can agree, just on initial entrance here, that this wiki's look and feel is much cleaner, and that's just one of several advantages being an independent wiki has. I get the whole "why exist when another does it" - it's the same argument for fan sites. I run Zelda Informer, but why have a Zelda fan site when there is Zelda Universe and Zelda Dungeon? The better question is... why not? Our policies we feel are much more user friendly, and no one gets to line their pockets here at MW: All add revenue goes directly to hosting, and if there is spill over, it will be used for contests and the like to give it right back to those that contribute. Think of this wiki as more a "community oriented" wiki, where as wikitroid, by default of being part of the wikia network, exist to make money. I know it's a hard concept to wrap the mind around, but unfortunately that is what wikia has always been, and always will be. Part of me feels bad for people like you guys that put so much effort into the wiki's there so others can reap the benfits, all while having to conform to ugly layouts and their standards with giant forced ads. It's something we don't do here, and we pride ourselves in the community aspect of being a wiki. Nathanial Rumphol-Janc 01:15, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I love the layout (We just switched ours recently, but I'd love for whoever did this one to lend us a hand!), however our policies aren't exactly very strict, as suggested. Most are derived from RfA's, in which any user may vote. You've mentioned profit quite a few times. Why is profit a concern if none of us are actually concerned with it? (Our goals obviously being to make information readily available.) ChozoBoy 01:26, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

I apologize if I rubbed off as being hostile, it just seemed you were trying to start a fight, and as Nathan has said, I haven't exactly had the best of dealings with Wikia.Steve 01:44, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Certainly not! I'm only inquiring. This anti-Wikia sentiment is new to me. I only really see user contributions at Wikitroid and nothing coming from Wikia has ever gotten me in a tizzy because they aren't around there so I'm not sure whether we are "the rule" or "the exception".

I guess my real question then would be: What exactly is there to be gained in remaking Wikitroid (several of the larger articles here are already rewrites of Wikitroid articles), that wouldn't be surpassed in applying the same level of contribution to the areas that we still need editors to develop over there? ChozoBoy 01:49, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

The bottom line is, we exist because wikitroid is on wikia. Like I said, I have nothing personal against wikitroid, except that it is on, and obviously because it there, supports the wikia network. We, essentially, are anti wikia. They buy out independent wiki's to form what is, essentially, a powerhouse network to feed to their money grubbing hands. Have you seen your Samus Aran page? Never mind that the actual content of it is pretty good - the whole page to is ruined because there 6, count it, 6 banner ads on that page alone. No matter how good the content is, the constant enforcement of wikia banners, especially in those numbers is astounding. Like I said, it's not that wikitroid is a bad wiki, it's that it supports a money grubbing network, or heck for all I know, may have been bought out by said money grubbing network, as they tried to do with Zelda Wiki, did with WoW Wikia, and several other wiki's on their network. Essentially, Wikia is trying to own the net, and eliminate the ability for independent wiki's to exist and be successful. This is why wiki's like this one, Bulbapedia (pokemon wiki), Super Mario Wiki, and Zelda Wiki exist - because we all firmly believe that independent wiki's are the best. Even if they don't have much say on your policies in general, they do have a significant say in teh layout (all wikia's essentially work and look exactly the same, just with different colors) and they all our overrun with monetizing ads. No this doesn't effect you personally.

As I said, this isn't anything against wikitroid - it's the wikia network we do not support, which is why we cannot support Wikitroid, as it is guilty by association. They are trying to buy out the internet, and we are trying to prevent it. Nathanial Rumphol-Janc 02:45, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

I only see the small banners in the lower sidebar and on the very bottom of the page, though I realize that anonymous editors may see one or two more. I doubt that Wikia is trying to "buy out the internet", only wikis (which is sort of their niche, obviously). Suppose that I'm not really bothered by the small ads on the side and bottom, and that I don't care that Wikia makes some funds to fuel more wikis off of the charity work that we do. Is their any other justification to support a complete reworking of this type of thing?

I'm just wondering if this is something I ought to be paying more attention to, because a few of you are very passionate about it, but only seem to be grasping at straws from my perspective. I couldn't say I'd be interested in reestablishing the structure we've built, foresaking the edits I've made, or dropping the projects we're working on in favor of starting from scratch just to drive Wikia to the ground. ChozoBoy 03:01, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

And I'm not asking you to, I am merely explaining to you our position. As for the Samus Aran page: You have the top banner, one below the bottom right of the Samus Aran details, one on the bottom left under wikia answers, 2 at the bottom of the article, and 3 at the bottom of the layout. Thats 8 ads, which basically appear on every page of the wiki. It's monestized, the entire wiki is, and they only want it on their network for money purposes. Did you read that? EIGHT ads. Not even a big gaming site like ign has that many - they top out at 4 if you count the background image. We have had several dealing with the people who run wikia (the two people), and it's clear what their intention is. It's not really grasping at straws - an entirely new network for independent wiki's is in the works to try and counter wikia, because of how they do business. Wiki's are also not "their niche" - they created a network and started buying out wiki's, thats not a niche, that's a corporation. Think google buying out youtube, does that mean daily motion shouldn't exist? Nathanial Rumphol-Janc 03:34, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Just to interject here for a moment. Most Wikia ads are hidden for members of Wikia. So if you are an editor for a Wikia wiki, then most ads are hidden for you when you are logged into it. But most people that view wikis are just viewers, not editors. They are the people you have to think about when it comes to ads. --Matt 05:30, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Examining some of the articles here, I've noticed that these wikis bear advertisements as well. (The double-underlined blue links that create Mouseover bubbles found here, and the green ones at Zelda Wiki.) Your new Samus Aran stub article already has one advertisement and the Metroid Fusion article already contains seven. These advertisements even display for the editors, and aren't related to the wiki. Those described at Wikitroid are for Wikia Spotlight, which Wikitroid plans to apply for shortly, so we will be advertised at all of the Wikia wikis in conjunction with the upcoming release of Metroid: Other M. ChozoBoy 05:59, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

ChozoBoy, let me introduce myself, Cipriano 119 here. I really don't see the benefit of the constant inquisition coming from your side. Really, if someone wants to create a wiki on Metroid, let them do so! Who cares if there is another established one! To be honest, it's about time another wiki showed up in challenge of Wikitroid, as most other Nintendo games have at least two wikis to choose from. Regardless of specifics, this wiki is completely entitled to do what it is doing. I respect Wikitroid very much, and do see that this wiki is a long ways away from achieving the prestige the Wikia site has, but please, at least give this site some time! =) cipriano one nineteen ^{< T >} 06:15, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Because a few users have now made comments like this, I'm going to have to repeat that I'm inquiring and not e-bullying. I was looking for the justification, and the explanation appears to have been expended. ChozoBoy 06:22, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

It's called inline text advertising, and it's to pay our bills. There can be a maximum of 8 total words underlined, that is way more unubtrusive then 8 banner related ads that take up the whole wiki. On top of that, they are used to pay for our hosting - it's not free, you know. Also, you think your ads are actually all related to wikia and your wiki? really? Log out once and take a gander. Ad for Dante's Inferno, Advertisments for Food, Google Adsense is present, just saw a king and conquere online mmorpg ad, and a sprint telephone ad. A majority of your viewers wont be the editors, the folk that log in and do stuff, just people there to research information, adn that is what those people see. That is where wikia makes all it's money. We make like, 12 cents a day. New Samus Aran Stub... you do realize we just went live like... 3 days ago right? All the pages are new, and inline text ads are random. They pick a word out that it has an ad for, and it's hidden unless you mouse over. SOme apges will have a max of 8 total words, some wont have more then 1 or 2. We don't control that, of course I can, but at 12 cents a day it's hardly something to moderate at this time. Are you really comparing inline text ads to piss loads of banner ads? Your wiki, as a guess off the top of my head, prolly produces around 800$ a month for Wikia, while it costs 30$ a month for the wiki to be online. Were just covering our server bills, and the rest goes to contests - wikia is just making bank role off you guys, and I am sorry you don't see it that way.

I don't really see why you keep pressing the issue, to be honest. It's pretty obvious were not going anywhere. Nathanial Rumphol-Janc 06:23, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

I apologize. I was hoping that after setting this wiki up, that you would be able to go somewhere. ChozoBoy 06:25, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

And were not? We've been online for 2 to 3 days. We have active users, and content is being made. What do you expect? Nathanial Rumphol-Janc 06:34, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

I thought we were discussing the premise for this new wiki? ChozoBoy 06:37, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

I think the premise has been pretty well discussed. It's like we said from the start: We are an independent Metroid Wiki, that is the reason of our existence. There are plenty examples of other independent wiki's out there who have great success, even with a wikia counterpart. We have expressed our severe distaste for what wikia stands for, and how we like what were doing. Not sure what more a premise you are looking for. It seems like your digging for a reason to leave wikitroid for this project, and I don't have one to give you except that we are free of wikia, something that doesn't bother you. Nathanial Rumphol-Janc 06:41, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Competition is good for the economy, so get over it. -Melchizedek  ^talk 08:28, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Ah, there's nothing like a common enemy to drive a website into new heights! Uncle Meat 08:52, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Now, in all seriosusness. There are two types of wiki's on the internet. Independent ones, and others that are hosted at places like Wikia. I won't delve into wiki philosophy, but many wiki users dislike Wikia, and prefer independent wikis, that are run by fans out of their own pockets. They like communities, where the only advertising we use is to keep ourselves online, not to make profit.

Wikitroid and Metroid Wiki are going to have to coexist. This doesn't mean we have to be best friends, as the philosophy of independent wikis is quite against Wikia, but we don't have to be childish. I know of plenty of cases between independent and Wikia wikis where there is fighting, inter-wiki vandalism, and often all out war. We don't want that with Wikitroid ChozoBoy. Yes, we are competitors, or rivals if you will, but we're civil. We won't tolerate our members doing anything disrespectful to Wikitroid simply out of wiki pride, and we won't tolerate direct copying of material from Wikitroid. What we seek is simply for our two wikis to exist, and to be competing, but to leave each other alone. Let's compete through content quality, not by vandalism as so many have done before us. We only hope, that you are kind enough to return this favor. -Melchizedek  ^talk 10:42, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

And so we find ourselves at an impasse, MetroidWiki and Wikitroid. I see no oncoming "war" as you put it, only sincere frustration at the matter of Wikitroid articles being, dare I say, stolen. The fact that neither of this Wiki's members can accept the possibilities of said acts, only furthers the conflict. Also, I do not recall any of Wikitroid's users behaving "childishly" over this matter, but mere concern. Wikitroid simply wishes to ensure, the very laws that govern this type of matter be held in account. I expect this Wiki's authorities to ensure that the felony of Plagiarism does not find it's way into the desperation of furthering this site's "borders". And if it has occurred, I expect you to ensure it does not in the future. Though as has been mentioned no current member of this Wiki, truly holds any knowledge of the Metroid series and it's entirety. So it would occur to me, that your only real way of filling these articles, would be to either commit said crimes, or rely on anonymous contributions. Neither of which are effective enough to rely on however. So just as well, I do not see this "reference of Metroid data" to be active for very long as you have no true knowledge of what you are doing, Metroid or otherwise, this being demonstrated by your actions of immediate hostility and "bully, bully" attitudes. Just remember to keep in mind for as long as this Wiki remains active, that "stealing" Wikitroid's articular information is a federal crime, and is, by law, punishable by up to 4-6 years imprisonment. Please do not allow this to happen again, if not for the first time. If this does happen, rest assured, action will be taken. Thank you.

Senior Wikitroid Administrator,

Piratehunter 22:29, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Dude, if you honestly think we would steal from Wikitroid after the thousands of times we have had to pound it into Zeldapedia's head that they need to stop stealing from us, you're an idiot. The sites cover the same topics, they are going to be similar. The only way we can make the pages not identical in the slightest is if we lied and put false info. So get off your high horse and accept that you have competition now. Triforce ^{(T C)} 22:50, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Also, if you noticed: Outside of Mel and Garlic, every user here has played metroid games. Have any of us played "all" of the metroid games? Of course not. Heck, a lot of us hail from the Zelda realm and haven't even played all of those games. I assure you, this wiki exists because fans of the series demanded it. The people contributing have, in fact, played metroid titles. Nathanial Rumphol-Janc 22:52, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

It appears incivility is truly a virtue here. No matter you've been warned, that's all that matters to me at this given moment. I am only here to insure you know of the consequences, not to pass blame. And again when speaking to me I tend to take what is said much more seriously when it does not contain terms such as: "idiot" and "get off your high horse" (i.e. civil conversation). And please read my comments carefully, as I at no point accused you of plagiary, I simply informed you of the consequences. Of which I am seemingly being utterly prosecuted for. Please remember I am not here to cause trouble, I am simply here to try in keeping this matter civil, and ensuring everyone knows what not to do. And I do apologize on behalf of my co-workers if their comments seemed brutish in some way. They have seperate ways of dealing with these things. :) Thanks again. Piratehunter 23:04, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

And that's why you accused us of never playing Metroid? I'm a member of MDB, BTW.

If you had read anything, you would have known that we have been through enough crap with the other wikias that we are the last wiki you need to preach about to plagiarism. How you honestly expected anyone to see that as anything other than accusing us of plagiarism is beyond me. Triforce ^{(T C)} 23:08, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Just saw your edit. I really had no problems with Wikitroid in the past and even edited there for a little bit and I really don't want that to change. Triforce ^{(T C)} 23:11, 13 February 2010 (UTC)