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::::Sure thing! [[:File:Infobox Comparison.png|This image]] is a comparison between how the Species infobox looks when I'm logged in with my custom css working (top), and when I'm logged out and viewing as a guest user (bottom). Notice the needless extra space around the Game parameters. It doesn't seem like a big issue, but when all the parameters start doing that, you get a very long infobox. I'm using Chrome, if that makes a difference. I haven't looked with other browsers. {{:User:Embyr_75/sig}} 04:34, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
::::Sure thing! [[:File:Infobox Comparison.png|This image]] is a comparison between how the Species infobox looks when I'm logged in with my custom css working (top), and when I'm logged out and viewing as a guest user (bottom). Notice the needless extra space around the Game parameters. It doesn't seem like a big issue, but when all the parameters start doing that, you get a very long infobox. I'm using Chrome, if that makes a difference. I haven't looked with other browsers. {{:User:Embyr_75/sig}} 04:34, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
:::::So the cause of this is that when parameters are sent to the templates, the leading whitespace is trimmed.  And without a * starting on a new line, it's just treated as a *, not a bullet.  We may want to create a generic infobox css class that is implemented skin-wide.  That way we can override the larger spacing around paragraphs. It would also clean up lots of the inline css which would help page loads. -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|talk]]) 16:38, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
:::::So the cause of this is that when parameters are sent to the templates, the leading whitespace is trimmed.  And without a * starting on a new line, it's just treated as a *, not a bullet.  We may want to create a generic infobox css class that is implemented skin-wide.  That way we can override the larger spacing around paragraphs. It would also clean up lots of the inline css which would help page loads. -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|talk]]) 16:38, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
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::::Great! Thanks! Have you decided whether you want to revert the css spacing or if you want to implement another solution for the bullets/spacing in infoboxes? {{:User:Embyr_75/sig}} 15:54, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
:::::Personally, I'd rather keep the new spacing and just override it in infoboxes. Is there anywhere else it causes problems? -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|talk]]) 19:08, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
::::::Well I have my custom CSS running so I haven't noticed anything recently, but I noticed it on the ''useful links'' box on the [[Special:RecentChanges]], for one. Another thing I recall is that on talk pages like this one, whether you do one line break or two before starting your comment makes a difference in the spacing above, creating uneven looking talk pages. I'll logout and browse to see what else I notice. {{:User:Embyr_75/sig}} 22:12, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
::::::(Update:) I did a quick run-around while logged out and didn't notice another other major problems as far as templates are concerned. I did notice aesthetic problems in certain situations though. For example, areas with lots of lists and headers (like [[Metroid_Wiki:Featured_Article_Nomination]]) look really gangly and strung out.
::::::While I think the premise of these additional spaces has merit, the spaces are just too darn big. Especially in very short or small articles, all that space draws the attention of the eye. The extra space is less awkward in very large articles, but let's face it, the vast, vast majority of our articles are not big. The more I look into this issue, the more strongly I feel that the articles look better without this extra spacing. If it absolutely must stay, then I think we should at least decrease the space to somewhere closer to what it was. I don't know if it's the dark background of the skin or what that makes it stand out so much or what, but it's just too drastic a jump between paragraphs. {{:User:Embyr_75/sig}} 22:39, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
:::::::I think it just takes a bit of getting used to, as the spacing to me is comfortable :).  However, I'll implement whatever you guys want, so just let me know. (This should all also probably be moved to the previous topic). -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|talk]]) 02:46, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
::::::::That's probably true. But I stick by my thoughts that what we have was built around the old spacing and the change is more troublesome than beneficial. I'll try to get some more community input on this. {{:User:Embyr_75/sig}} 17:30, 10 September 2013 (UTC)


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:::I've made the change so it shows up like that, but it'll take some time to get through the caching. -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|talk]]) 19:47, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
:::I've made the change so it shows up like that, but it'll take some time to get through the caching. -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|talk]]) 19:47, 6 September 2013 (UTC)


::::Great! Thanks! Have you decided whether you want to revert the css spacing or if you want to implement another solution for the bullets/spacing in infoboxes? {{:User:Embyr_75/sig}} 15:54, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
::::''(Moved to "Strange Spacing/Upload Issues")''
:::::Personally, I'd rather keep the new spacing and just override it in infoboxes. Is there anywhere else it causes problems? -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|talk]]) 19:08, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
 
::::::Well I have my custom CSS running so I haven't noticed anything recently, but I noticed it on the ''useful links'' box on the [[Special:RecentChanges]], for one. Another thing I recall is that on talk pages like this one, whether you do one line break or two before starting your comment makes a difference in the spacing above, creating uneven looking talk pages. I'll logout and browse to see what else I notice. {{:User:Embyr_75/sig}} 22:12, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
 
::::::(Update:) I did a quick run-around while logged out and didn't notice another other major problems as far as templates are concerned. I did notice aesthetic problems in certain situations though. For example, areas with lots of lists and headers (like [[Metroid_Wiki:Featured_Article_Nomination]]) look really gangly and strung out.
 
::::::While I think the premise of these additional spaces has merit, the spaces are just too darn big. Especially in very short or small articles, all that space draws the attention of the eye. The extra space is less awkward in very large articles, but let's face it, the vast, vast majority of our articles are not big. The more I look into this issue, the more strongly I feel that the articles look better without this extra spacing. If it absolutely must stay, then I think we should at least decrease the space to somewhere closer to what it was. I don't know if it's the dark background of the skin or what that makes it stand out so much or what, but it's just too drastic a jump between paragraphs. {{:User:Embyr_75/sig}} 22:39, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
:::::::I think it just takes a bit of getting used to, as the spacing to me is comfortable :).  However, I'll implement whatever you guys want, so just let me know. (This should all also probably be moved to the previous topic). -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|talk]]) 02:46, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
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