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==Editing==
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I Noticed while editing the left side of the edit box is buggy. You cannot click on anything near the left side. For example: While editing this I wouldn't be able to select the first word... -Sephiner Shaeld


:Yeah, that is correct. I think it might be a skin bug. Nothing within two characters of the left side of the edit box can be clicked on. You'll have to bear with it for now, but I assure you we are looking into fixing this issue. {{:User:Melchizedek/sig}} 06:01, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
== MediaWiki update 1.23.0 ==


:: The problem is that the portlets in the sidebar overlap the content. http://metroidwiki.org/skins/monobook1/main.css?207 has this:
Report any issues below!!
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.portlet {
margin-bottom: 1.5em;
padding-left: 35px;
position: relative;
z-index: 5;
font-weight: bold;
text-transform: none;
width: 200px;
}
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::Changing the width to 180px fixes the issue for me.
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#content {
margin-left: 205px;
z-index: 4;
border: 0;
}
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::Another possible solution is to change z-index to 6 here.{{User:Twentytwofiftyseven/sig}} 07:35, 12 February 2010 (UTC)


:::Thanks for that 2257. I hadn't gotten a chance to look into it yet, but as you pointed out the solution, I've made the change, and it has fixed the issue for me. Hopefully for everyone else too. Thanks again. {{:User:Melchizedek/sig}} 09:49, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
:*All the headers in articles, on talk pages, on the sidebar, and on the RC are black. They should be white. :)


::::No problem. {{User:Twentytwofiftyseven/sig}} 18:29, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
:{{:User:Embyr_75/sig}} 00:14, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
::I've made a change and cleared the server cache.  Please try clearing your browser cache and see if it's better. -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|talk]]) 05:10, 12 June 2014 (UTC)


==User Stylesheets==
:::Looks great! Thanks a bunch! {{:User:Embyr_75/sig}} 21:33, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
Are broken. {{User:Twentytwofiftyseven/sig}} 06:47, 12 February 2010 (UTC)


:I would call 'not yet enabled' a tad different from 'broken', but give it time, and I'll let you know when it is enabled. {{:User:Melchizedek/sig}} 09:49, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
== Template cleanup ==


::Ah, I didn't even realize they could be disabled. My bad. {{User:Twentytwofiftyseven/sig}} 18:29, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
I was looking into fixing up the infobox css and noticed there's already a css class setup in [[MediaWiki:Common.css]] for the infobox.  Unfortunately, it doesn't look like it's used very much. I did a search and it seems like there are a lot of different [[:Category:Infobox Templates|infobox templates]]. Should they all look the same (300px width, identical colouring, borders), or do they have deeper complexities than that?  Could we tackle them one by one, activate the common infobox stylings, and then clean it up and refine it till it looks good? Where should we start? -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|talk]]) 05:00, 15 June 2014 (UTC)


::Yeah, the MediaWiki default is for it to be disabled. Both Custom user CSS and JS have now been enabled. I have tested and they are working, so let me know how you go. {{:User:Melchizedek/sig}} 23:29, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
:I'm not the master infobox maker here, but as far as I know the only things that change from infobox to infobox are the parameters (game, planet, vulnerabilities, family, voice actor, etc), with the exception of the infoboxes made specifically for each GAME (which have different background images). Other than that I'm pretty sure they all look and function the same way. (A few may also add categories. Not sure.)


:::Thanks, it's working great. (Although my changes have been pretty minor, the skin's great as it is.) {{User:Twentytwofiftyseven/sig}} 09:11, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:So I'm all for creating a more uniform system. Whatever you guys decide is the best way to go about it, I'm willing to be a drone to help implement. {{:User:Embyr_75/sig}} 17:09, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
::I've got a bot that can take care of changes, and most of it should only be in the templates themselves, so that shouldn't be a problem.  Which do you think is a good infobox to start with? Perhaps, something that is used in only a few locations. (I fixed the link above for the infobox category). -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|talk]]) 18:00, 15 June 2014 (UTC)


==Signatures==
:::[[Template:Console-infobox]] and [[Template:Company-infobox]] are only used on three articles each. Those would probably work well. {{:User:Embyr_75/sig}} 18:53, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
I think that we could stand to import [http://www.mariowiki.com/Template:Nosubst this], as it makes creating template signatures simpler for users. {{User:Twentytwofiftyseven/sig}} 08:08, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
::::Well, looking through the history, turns out infobox [[Template talk:Planet-infobox|used to be]] the class to use, but then it was replaced by inline css...  Looks like this will be much more complicated than I expected. I've started a [[Template:Company-infobox/WIP|WIP]], we'll see if I can get it looking right. -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|talk]]) 01:15, 17 June 2014 (UTC)


:I'm liking the look of that. We very well may implement it. :) {{:User:Melchizedek/sig}} 09:14, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
==Resizing GIF files==
I'm not sure if this is a MediaWiki related issue, but I know something similar has come up in the past: When I tried to resize the gif file in the [[Draygon]] article infobox, the image wouldn't show up in the preview. The |thumb parameter worked, and it displayed fine without any resize parameters at all, but using |150px or the like generated blank images. Any idea what might be causing this? {{:User:Embyr_75/sig}} 18:45, 17 June 2014 (UTC)


==[[MediaWiki:Edittools|Edittools]]==
== Ugly Template ==
The Japanese sections should be changed to this:


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Can someone tack a whack at fixing the [[Template:Trophy|Trophy Template]]? The "NavHeader" needs to remain [[Template:round|round]] and not be changed to [[Template:roundt|roundt]] because when the "hide" function is toggled it looks ugly otherwise. But when it's set to round it doesn't fit inside the nav borders the same way the other cells do. Check out the [[Template_talk:Trophy|talk page]] for all the gory details. Thanks! {{:User:Embyr_75/sig}} 21:26, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
<small id="edittools_newsectionshere">
'''<u>Hiragana</u>:'''
<charinsert> あ い う え お </charinsert> &nbsp;
<charinsert> か き く け こ </charinsert> &nbsp;
<charinsert> さ し す せ そ </charinsert> &nbsp;
<charinsert> た ち つ て と </charinsert> &nbsp;
<charinsert> な に ぬ ね の </charinsert> &nbsp;
<charinsert> は ひ ふ へ ほ </charinsert> &nbsp;
<charinsert> ま み む め も </charinsert> &nbsp;
<charinsert> や ゆ よ </charinsert> &nbsp;
<charinsert> ら り る れ ろ </charinsert> &nbsp;
<charinsert> わ ゐ ゑ を </charinsert> &nbsp;
<charinsert> ん </charinsert> &nbsp;
<charinsert> が ぎ ぐ げ ご </charinsert> &nbsp;
<charinsert> ざ じ ず ぜ ぞ </charinsert> &nbsp;
<charinsert> だ ぢ づ で ど </charinsert> &nbsp;
<charinsert> ば び ぶ べ ぼ </charinsert> &nbsp;
<charinsert> ぱ ぴ ぷ ぺ ぽ </charinsert> &nbsp;
<charinsert> ゔ </charinsert> &nbsp;
<charinsert> ゃ ゅ ょ </charinsert> &nbsp;
<charinsert> ぁ ぃ ぅ ぇ ぉ </charinsert> &nbsp;
<charinsert> ゎ っ </charinsert> &nbsp;
<charinsert> ゝ ゞ </charinsert> &nbsp;
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<br>
<small id="edittools_newsectionshere">
'''<u>Katakana</u>:'''
<charinsert> ア イ ウ エ オ </charinsert> &nbsp;
<charinsert> カ キ ク ケ コ </charinsert> &nbsp;
<charinsert> サ シ ス セ ソ </charinsert> &nbsp;
<charinsert> タ チ ツ テ ト </charinsert> &nbsp;
<charinsert> ナ ニ ヌ ネ ノ </charinsert> &nbsp;
<charinsert> ハ ヒ フ ヘ ホ </charinsert> &nbsp;
<charinsert> マ ミ ム メ モ </charinsert> &nbsp;
<charinsert> ヤ ユ ヨ </charinsert> &nbsp;
<charinsert> ラ リ ル レ ロ </charinsert> &nbsp;
<charinsert> ワ ヰ ヱ ヲ </charinsert> &nbsp;
<charinsert> ン </charinsert> &nbsp;
<charinsert> ガ ギ グ ゲ ゴ </charinsert> &nbsp;
<charinsert> ザ ジ ズ ゼ ゾ </charinsert> &nbsp;
<charinsert> ダ ヂ ヅ デ ド </charinsert> &nbsp;
<charinsert> バ ビ ブ ベ ボ </charinsert> &nbsp;
<charinsert> パ ピ プ ペ ポ </charinsert> &nbsp;
<charinsert> ヷ ヸ ヴ ヹ ヺ </charinsert> &nbsp;
<charinsert> ャ ュ ョ </charinsert> &nbsp;
<charinsert> ァ ィ ゥ ェ ォ </charinsert> &nbsp;
<charinsert> ヵ ヶ ヮ ッ </charinsert> &nbsp;
<charinsert> ー ・ ヽ ヾ </charinsert> &nbsp;
</small>
</pre>


Although in reality, some of these are so rare that nobody's likely to ever need them, it seems that it's better to have them and never need them, than to need them but not have them. Right? (A few very common kana are also missing.) {{User:Twentytwofiftyseven/sig}} 10:25, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
== Wiki Coverage of Smash Bros. ==


:Thanks for that, it's much better. Yeah, the approach with that edittools template is to have them there, so that in the rare case they are needed, they're already there. {{:User:Melchizedek/sig}} 11:21, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
Ok, here's something that I think needs to come up again. Should we be covering all the Super Smash Bros. games? I don't think it's relevant to have long lists of characters that have nothing to do with the Metroidverse on badly written articles on a Metroid wiki. Check out [[:Category:Super_Smash_Bros.|this category]] for some of the pages in question. I say we kill them all, or merge most of them into brief synopses with links to the wikis that should be covering them (like SmashWiki and MarioWiki, for example). Thoughts? {{:User:Embyr_75/sig}} 03:26, 14 September 2014 (UTC)


== Now,I have a question ==
:I think either we just get rid of the game pages completely and stick to [[Metroid in the Super Smash Bros. Series]], or we keep one page for each game (just like the Metroid games) but keep the content to a minimum.  I'm not too sure if [[Sticker]] and [[Trophy]] are within scope here though. Also, I think we should make it obvious which links are external links, maybe with icons beside them. -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|talk]]) 22:32, 20 September 2014 (UTC)


Along with a true wiki, which gives facts, is Metroid Wiki also a Fanon type wiki? [[User:pokekid9|pokekid9]]
::The icon idea is good, as for the Smash Bros. content, maybe get rid of Sticker and Trophy. If there is something specific that has trophies or stickers, we should mention them on its article. {{:User:Metroidking/sig}} 05:49, 23 September 2014 (UTC)


:Metroid Wiki is a factual encyclopedia. Our articles are based on facts, and in certain circumstances, widely-accepted and well-evidenced theories may be added to articles, on certain conditions. No we do not accept Fanon, or fan takes or stories on the series. See the [[Metroid Wiki:Quality Standards#Theories in Articles|Theory and Fanon Quality Standards]] for more details. {{:User:Melchizedek/sig}} 20:38, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Let's do what the Zelda Wiki (my home wiki :P) did. They made pages for each game, the series itself, glitches, hacks, items, and characters, but tended to talk mostly about its relationship with Zelda. But, they kept everything short and simple, and reminded the reader that the Smash Wiki had more in-depth articles. Does that sound good? — [[User:Phaazonian|Phaazonian]] ([[User talk:Phaazonian|Talk]]) 16:55, 29 September 2014 (UTC)


==File namespace glitch==
::::I'm all for killing the Sticker and Trophy pages and merging that content into the [[Metroid in the Super Smash Bros. Series]] article. Honestly, '''I feel like this Wiki is struggling as it is just to get the Metroid series covered and the Smash articles are a waste of resources and time'''. We have a whole SmashWiki dedicated to it, as well as the powerhouses like Mario Wiki which are covering it too (though I don't really know why. It isn't exactly a Mario game, is it? By the same logic, why would a Metroid Wiki have a page with a list of Smash characters?).
Whenever I view a page in the file namespace, the wiki acts as if I'm not logged in. This doesn't happen when viewing the edit window or history. Anybody know what that's about? {{User:Twentytwofiftyseven/sig}} 21:00, 25 February 2010 (UTC)


:Unfortunately, that glitch in the MediaWiki install has been there from day one. We know of it and are trying to get in contact with MediaWiki for the solution, but it may be a while before it is fixed. {{:User:Melchizedek/sig}} 09:25, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
::::The general consensus seems to be that we merge everything. If there aren't any objections, I'm thinking a good way to do this, rather than make separate articles for each game and the series, is to merge ALL of that content into just one article. [[Super Smash Bros. (game)]], [[Super Smash Bros. Melee]], and [[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]], as well as [[Super Smash Bros. (series)]], [[Sticker]], and [[Trophy]] could all redirect to [[Metroid in the Super Smash Bros. Series]], where we'd have a nice synopsis of everything, and then just stick to Metroid. Cuz let's get real, if anyone is coming to Metroid Wiki it all it isn't to read about Smash Bros. Any comments? {{:User:Embyr_75/sig}} 01:46, 30 September 2014 (UTC)


::I'd like to point out that it is difficult to add sourcing info with this glitch. You should announce once it's fixed, I'd like to know [[User:Malake256|Malake256]] 03:15, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
So I completely revamped the [[Metroid in the Super Smash Bros. Series]] page and merged all the information onto it from the other pages. If everyone likes the look of it and there are no objections, I'll redirect all the other pages to that one (Or delete them, if they're irrelevant), probably on Friday. I realize that the page is pretty huge; I personally don't have a problem with it the way it is right now, but if anyone doesn't like the size we could divvy it up into ''Metroid in (game)'' rather than ''Metroid in (series)''. But like I said, that might not be necessary. {{:User:Embyr_75/sig}} 22:34, 1 October 2014 (UTC)


:::It's annoying in so many ways; but I can tell you, it is nowhere near as annoying as dealing with MediaWiki to get it fixed. Anyways, we're working on it and will make a main page news post when it's done. {{:User:Melchizedek/sig}} 22:06, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
:I looks quite nice, it may be better to split it into multiple articles in my opinion. The new Smash Bros. content will add a lot to the page. The only other thing I think it needs is some better interwiki links. I'll have some time to take care of it this weekend, probably will make templates for all NIWA wikis. {{:User:Metroidking/sig}} 04:14, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
::Do you think it'd be possible to add a link to the StrategyWiki guide on each of the game pages as well? -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|talk]]) 14:22, 7 October 2014 (UTC)


==infoboxes==
:::Good point! I'll add those. {{:User:Embyr_75/sig}} 19:49, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
The code used in infoboxes could be greatly simplified if the following were added to the site's skin. {{User:Twentytwofiftyseven/sig}} 18:00, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
<pre>
.infobox tr:nth-of-type(odd) {
  background-color:#3b587e
}


.infobox tr:nth-of-type(even) {
== Wave of account creations ==
  background-color:#1e1528
}


.infobox {
I checked the IP of several of the new users at random and there is no match between any of them. It's pretty reasonable to say that these are spam creations, would there by a way to make it tougher for these to get through? {{:User:Metroidking/sig}} 04:02, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
  font-family: arial, sans-serif;
:Asirra (the cat captcha) was shut down earlier this month, so I switched to a very basic captcha temporarily.  I'm going to activate a newer captcha soon, so it should stop them. -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|talk]]) 16:14, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
  padding: 4px;
  margin: 0 0 1em 1em;
  font-size: 11px;
  border:1px solid #3b587e;
  background-color:#1e1528;
}


.infobox tr:first-of-type td {
== Interwiki links ==
  font-family:arial;
  font-size:13px;
  background-color:#3b587e;
}
</pre>


:This has been done. Let me know that it's working fine for you. {{:User:Melchizedek/sig}} 09:25, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
I mentioned making these a while ago for articles that should be linked to other wikis like the Smash Bros. articles. I'm thinking we use their icon next to the link, for example [[File:BPIcon.png]][[bulbapedia:Greninja|Greninja]]. Opinions? {{:User:Metroidking/sig}} 02:45, 31 December 2014 (UTC)


::Looks like it's working out perfectly. :D {{User:Twentytwofiftyseven/sig}} 18:18, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
:I like it! It'd be nice to tell at a glance, without hovering, where the link goes. {{:User:Embyr_75/sig}} 16:08, 31 December 2014 (UTC)


:::Cool. :) {{:User:Melchizedek/sig}} 20:38, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
::Sorry for taking so long on this. I have two thoughts on how we can implement it:


==Priorities for building the wiki and establishing our presence in Google==
::<nowiki>{{bulbapedia|Greninja}}</nowiki> or <nowiki>{{interwiki|bulbapedia|Greninja}}</nowiki>
I made a post [http://forums.zeldainformer.com/topic/6260-guys-who-is-with-me-lets-start-a-metroid-wiki/page__view__findpost__p__128102 here]. check it out. --[[User:Captain Cornflake|Captain Cornflake]] 12:41, 15 March 2010 (UTC)


:Yeah, all important stuff. I will reply there in a sec, but when I'm on holidays in two weeks I'll be working a lot on MW, so I'll get the stuff mentioned there done if it isn't done beforehand. {{:User:Melchizedek/sig}} 09:25, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
::Both could give the same image+link, but one more complex template vs 22+. Opinions? {{:User:Metroidking/sig}} 18:46, 29 July 2015 (UTC)


== Proposals ==
:::I think either way is fine, but probably making one template would be better if we ever wanted to change anything about it. So my vote is for making <nowiki>{{interwiki}}</nowiki>, but I'm fine with either. {{:User:Embyr_75/sig}} 18:59, 29 July 2015 (UTC)


Shouldn't Metroid Wiki:Proposals be added to the Metroid Wiki. As far as I know, Zelda Wiki and Mario Wiki all have them. {{User|Sixeightyseventyone}}
== Front Page Cleanup ==


:::Zelda Wiki doesn't have a proposals section, Mario Wiki might, I wouldn't know: but this... this is Metroid Wiki, and as of the present, we have no need for such a section. {{:User:Melchizedek/sig}} 07:11, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
So there's a couple things I've been thinking about:


== Stub (and other) Tags ==
* '''Rotating the Featured Articles and Images.''' Voting has been stagnant and the look of the front page hasn't changed for some time as a result. I thinking rotating our handful of features each visit will keep it looking fresher than the tabbed templates we have now.


Do they go at the beginning or the end of the article, we need consistency [[User:Malake256|Malake256]] 20:11, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
* '''Skype Chat and Skype Archives.''' Also stagnant. I say if we aren't using it, we should throw it out and replace it with something better.


:all of the stub tags should stay at the beginning of an article until such a point that the staff removes them. [[User:Nathanial Rumphol-Janc|Nathanial Rumphol-Janc]] 05:23, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
* '''Remember Me?''' Nothing actually seems to link to these pages anymore. We could just leave them for a while, but at the moment they're not doing anything.


::Correct, at the top of the articles. However to be precise, the stub tag, and other tags, should not be above infoboxes. So, place them before the textual content of a page, but after any infoboxes or 'main' images, if that makes sense. :) {{:User:Melchizedek/sig}} 07:14, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
* '''Wiki Lore:''' This is an idea we tossed around. They'd be editorial articles that we'd write ourselves and/or invite contributors to write. I'm thinking we could release them on a monthly basis. It would give us some exclusive content. I already have several in the works -- if we're going to launch this I think it would be good to have a bumper crop of articles so we don't fall behind in publishing them. It would replace the ''Editor Station'' space.


== Location pages ==
Thoughts? {{:User:Embyr_75/sig}} 16:16, 31 December 2014 (UTC)


In the wanted pages I have seen that there are requests for various areas (Chozo Ruins, Ridley, Kraid ETC.), I can create the ones for the games I have. My question is do you want the items that are acquired (not the exact locations, just the amount of items) and the bosses in the areas listed on the pages? [[User:Metroidking|Metroidking]] 00:12, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
: Main page definitely could use some touch ups.
*Featured content: Randomizing to avoid stagnation sounds good to me.  


:Could you be more specific, like an example would help... place any information that isn't on the wiki wherever you see fit, and other editors will fix them if necessary {{:User:Malake256/sig}} 00:33, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
*Skype: we could remove the archives. The public chat is a mixed bag, not much wiki chat goes on in there, but there's still Metroid related discussions going on. If you do have an idea for something better I'd still be interested in hearing it, particularly for staff communication.


:What I meant was how many upgrades are in which area (such as in Metroid Zero Mission there being 13 Missile Tanks in [[Ridley (area)|Ridley]]). [[User:Metroidking|Metroidking]] 21:50, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
*Remember Me:It's already removed from the main page, but I think we should still have them archived.  


::Oh i see, like you did in that Ridley area page. No that's pretty good, good job. If you could do that for other pages that'd be nice. Eventually we'll all find some way to coordinate and fix it all, but for now that's good. {{:User:Malake256/sig}} 23:14, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
*Wiki Lore:I think it'd be a cool new addition. Would you be able to share the topics of what you're working on now? {{:User:Metroidking/sig}} 05:12, 30 January 2015 (UTC)


== Parenthetical Statements ==
::Ok, great. I'll look into randomizing the rotation, unless you beat me to it. As for staff communication, I'm leaning towards a forum; it's easier to document and check regularly, imo. What do you think? Any ideas for where we could do that? Maybe NIWA...


Shouldn't the words within parenthesis also be capitalized? As in Metroid (game), Ridley (area), and so forth? Given the necessity for pretty much every other word (besides of, and, an, a, and so on) to be capitalized, it seems logical that these would be as well. [[User:Embyr 75|Embyr 75]] 18:53, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
::Remember Me is basically archived, so I guess we can leave that as is. The three Wiki Lore projects I'm working on are interviews with major figures in the ''Metroid'' community; I'll email you my drafts and some other details. {{:User:Embyr_75/sig}} 17:55, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
:If it is in the title of the page (or in the title of a subsection) then (if you are following the rules of English) it should be capitalized, but if it is just in the article, it is unneeded. Plus if it is written in the article I think we should make it look more like this [[Metroid (game)|Metroid]] instead of [[Metroid (game)]]. [[User:Metroidking|Metroidking]] 19:12, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
::Yes, titles should be capitalized except for minor words (a, and, the, etc.). Descriptions, the ones in parentheses, should also '''not''' be capitalized. And if you ever find ''Metroid (game)'' inside of an article, pipe it to just say ''Metroid''. {{:User:Malake256/sig}} 03:21, 10 June 2010 (UTC)


== Categories ==
== Simplifying the Sidebar + Projects/Maintenance ==
I think that instead of putting say the Hive Mecha in the mini-boss, boss, and enemy categories we should put them in the category that describes them the most. If it needs to be in more than one category it should be something like the Plated Beetle and Sheegoth, they both act as mini-bosses but you eventually encounter more later on. [[User:Metroidking|Metroidking]] 06:28, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
:It's a boss though, it should be on the boss category, not mini-boss. That second part makes sense though, because otherwise i would see no use for the mini-boss category. {{:User:Malake256/sig}} 16:31, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
::It would be easier just to put them in the boss category. So both boss and enemy category if they become regular enemies later on? [[User:Metroidking|Metroidking]] 18:52, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
:::Okay, something really needs to be fixed here. The Bosses category is in the Enemies category. So, should we add all bosses in ''both'' categories? That seems redundant to me. This would mean that we should add every beam (like the plasma beam for example) in the suits category, since the Arm Cannon is in the Suits category. I would say we only add bosses in the Bosses categories. I think we need an Admin to answer this Q {{:User:Malake256/sig}} 20:02, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
::::What if Bosses and Mini-Bosses were made sub-categories of the enemies category? Of course that may not work if there are some instances where bosses aren't really enemies, but just a thought. {{:User:Melchizedek/sig}} 22:09, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
:::::Well how about this: Once the Elite Pirate page is made (I'll do it later if someone else doesn't), put that in the mini-boss category and make a space pirate category to put it in. The mini-boss category can be a sub-category of the boss category while the space pirate category is with the enemies. I hope I worded this so it will make sense. [[User:Metroidking|Metroidking]] 22:34, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, sounds fine to me. Go ahead and do what you guys see as best and we can work from there. {{:User:Melchizedek/sig}} 22:39, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
Well all bosses are enemies, that's where the problem is. If an article is in the Bosses category, should it be placed in the Enemies category? It seems redundant to me since the Bosses category itself is IN the Enemies category. I don't think there is an instance where a boss isn't an enemy though. {{:User:Malake256/sig}} 23:27, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
:I would think yes, they should be in both the enemies and bosses category, seen as they are both. And if we did that, with bosses as a sub category of enemies, then we'd only need to have the 'Enemies' category on the main page, and 'Bosses' can be replaced with 'Weapons'. See [[Talk:Main Page#Categories on the Main Page|here]] for what I mean. {{:User:Melchizedek/sig}} 23:32, 11 June 2010 (UTC)


== Citations ==
I noticed while on Inkipedia that they've got a couple things going for them as far as community navigation that I think would be great to implement here:


I've noticed a recurring trend of citations leading to text dumps (see [[Thardus]], for example). While that's technically accurate, it isn't very helpful to a reader. Wouldn't it be more practical to quote the in-game text than to refer them to a massive page of text, a lot of which doesn't apply (and does this wiki have a cite template to do so)? [[User:Embyr 75|Embyr 75]] 14:40, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
*Simplified sidebar. Ours is cluttered and unhelpful. Specifically, I'm thinking we can drop the "Featured Articles" and "Featured Pictures," which are pretty much dead features on this site right now anyway, and also drop the "Random Page" and "Random Picture" links, and maybe even the "Wanted Pages." I think it would make the sidebar a lot more sleek.


:Using the text dumps wasn't very practical so I do apologize for using them. I have found a few things referring to using quotations from games but I am not sure how to use it. I should have asked about that before I used all those text dumps on the Thardus page. So anyone know how to use the quotation template? [[User:Metroidking|Metroidking]] 18:40, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
*[[inkipedia:Inkipedia:Projects|Projects]] and [[inkipedia:Inkipedia:Maintenance|Maintenance]] pages, which are great. I'd love to have those (and put them on the sidebar), especially for documenting particular on-going issues in more detail (like some of our Metroid Prime room articles, which exist but don't have the proper layout, enough sources, or images).


::I figured it out and fixed it, look at the citation templates for the one to use. Or you can look at the Thardus page for it. [[User:Metroidking|Metroidking]] 20:00, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
Thoughts? {{:User:Embyr_75/sig}} 23:33, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
:*I personally like the Random Page feature. I'd suggest getting rid of About Us (linked at the bottom of the page), Featured Articles/Pictures (listed on the front page), Wanted Pages (not likely to be used frequently), Random Picture (generally comes along with page), and ''maybe'' sandbox. I'd also suggest merging the Community and Wiki Editing sections, since there may not be enough links in each section to warrant a separation.
:*Maintenance is nice to centralize some commonly used pages and [[StrategyWiki:StrategyWiki:Cleanup project/Long term tasks|StrategyWiki]] also has something similar. Projects are also good for organization, but they're very hard to keep going without a few people already active in it.  
:-- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|talk]]) 01:45, 21 July 2015 (UTC)


::All sounds good to me. I agree that projects will be hard to keep going, but since I'm basically the only active editor (and not even that active, now that Splatoon has taken over my life), I'm not going to worry too much about how much support these pages garner right now; I'm thinking more long term (aka wishful thinking). If you're all for these changes, I'll let you go ahead and implement them however you think looks good (feel free to put red links on the sidebar if you don't feel like creating them now and I'll throw something together). {{:User:Embyr_75/sig}} 02:39, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
:::I've made most of the changes.  Once pages are created, we can add them to the sidebar. -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|talk]]) 04:52, 21 July 2015 (UTC)


== Templates ==
::::I created the [[Metroid Wiki:Maintenance]] and [[Metroid Wiki:Projects]] pages and added them to the sidebar, such as they are. Thoughts? {{:User:Embyr_75/sig}} 18:42, 21 July 2015 (UTC)


Can the Enemy Template be edited to contain the attacks used by an enemy? [[User:Metroidking|Metroidking]] 18:25, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
== Random function ==


:Well I think that depends on the attack. It could maybe fall under technology. What attack are you making that deserves its own article? If it's going to be short, it's best to make a section of the attack on the Enemy that uses the attack's article {{:User:Malake256/sig}} 18:55, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
I noticed the <nowiki><random></nowiki> functions aren't working anymore (ex: [[Samus Aran]]). Not sure what caused it or how to fix it. {{:User:Embyr_75/sig}} 05:26, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
:I got rid of the RandomText extension and replaced it with the RandomSelection extention since the other wikis use this and the syntax is cleaner.  I've fixed the syntax on that page so it looks like it's working properly again. -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|talk]]) 06:42, 23 July 2015 (UTC)


::Oh my bad, ignore that last comment. Well anyways, I think that would be too long for enemies that have too many attacks, it'd create a very large table {{:User:Malake256/sig}} 18:59, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
== New Help Guide Nav ==


:::You have a point on that one, the list would be way too long for things like the Quads. I'll just put an attack section on the articles I work on as you suggested. [[User:Metroidking|Metroidking]] 19:11, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
I've been rewriting and trimming the help pages as well as [[User:Embyr_75/Sandbox#New_Help_Guide_Nav|working on a new nav]]. I'd like to merge our four (why do we need four separate pages!?!?!) policy pages, and eliminate unhelpful pages completely, namely the '''web-safe colors''', [[Help:Featured Content Nomination]] (which I'm currently treating as dead and also scheming to remove from the front page), Help:User Accounts, [[Help:User Rights]], and Help:Protected Pages. I'm also thinking that Help:Custom Signatures can be merged into [[Help:Advanced Functions]].


::::That should work perfectly. (: most enemies should eventually have an attack section, especially the bosses.
Any thoughts on this overhaul and on the [[User:Embyr_75/Sandbox#New_Help_Guide_Nav|beta new help guide nav]]? If we like the simple, image-oriented motif, I was thinking we could remove the featured image/article from the front page and create a similar, community-oriented nav for the front page (which could potentially go on the [[Metroid Wiki:Discussion Center|Discussion Center]], [[Metroid Wiki:Projects|Projects]], [[Metroid Wiki:Maintenance|Maintenance]], and other relevant pages too). The front page a little messy and disorganized at the moment. {{:User:Embyr_75/sig}} 05:22, 26 July 2015 (UTC)


:::::Actually I'm not making an attack section, you'll see what I did instead once I finish the Quad page. [[User:Metroidking|Metroidking]] 19:44, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
:UPDATE: I also started constructing a nav for the community pages/front page. I couldn't decide between three headers and now I'm thinking we could just rotate them, and implement the same rotation for the Help Guide nav. Input please! Cuz if I don't get input I'm just gonna go crazy and start changing things!! ^_^ {{:User:Embyr_75/sig}} 17:04, 26 July 2015 (UTC)


::::::Alright that works too (: . Hey, when you create pages use three apostrophes on each side when it is first mentioned: <nowiki>'''Quads'''</nowiki> to give '''Quads'''. This bolds as opposed to italics: <nowiki>''Quads''</nowiki> to give ''Quads''. Just look at [[Quad]]'s history and you'll see what I mean {{:User:Malake256/sig}} 21:20, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
::For elimination of unhelpful pages, I think those listed can be removed. Merging custom signatures into advances functions sounds fine to me. As for the changes to the front page, I'd like to check it on a higher res computer before giving any major feedback but I do think it looks great so far. {{:User:Metroidking/sig}} 03:07, 28 July 2015 (UTC)


:::::::Oops, I'll do that and thanks for correcting it. [[User:Metroidking|Metroidking]] 21:40, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
:::Roger that! Thanks for the feedback. {{:User:Embyr_75/sig}} 03:36, 28 July 2015 (UTC)


No prob. I think I've said this already, but good job with recent edits :D {{:User:Malake256/sig}} 21:55, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
== Manual template ==


== Bosses and Mini-Bosses ==
[[Template:Manual]] doesn't seem to be working correctly. It doesn't show any info entered besides the game. [[User:Zharkaer|Zharkaer]] ([[User talk:Zharkaer|talk]]) 01:13, 9 November 2016 (UTC)


I think we should draw a distinct line between Bosses and Mini-bosses. Any suggestions? {{:User:Malake256/sig}} 21:14, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
:Looks like our show/hide function isn't working, I've notified one of the other admins to see if anything can be done. {{:User:Metroidking/sig}} 01:34, 9 November 2016 (UTC)
::I think I've fixed it. Please try now. -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|talk]]) 02:30, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
:::Yes, it appears to be working now. [[User:Zharkaer|Zharkaer]] ([[User talk:Zharkaer|talk]]) 02:56, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
:::It appears as though it is broken again [[User:TheDLCguy|TheDLCguy]] ([[User talk:TheDLCguy|talk]]) 13:25, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
::::I've made a fix. Can you check if it's working for you now? [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|talk]]) 20:34, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
:::::I can confirm it works now. [[User:TheDLCguy|TheDLCguy]] ([[User talk:TheDLCguy|talk]]) 16:54, 29 July 2022 (UTC)


:Mini-bosses (Imago, Sheegoth, Boost Guardian for example) are minor bosses. For the actual boss category I'd say that it's the main boss (Kraid, Helios, Quadraxis etc) in the area that it is found. [[User:Metroidking|Metroidking]] 21:47, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
== How should Zoomers and Geemers be handled? ==


::But what ''makes'' a boss a boss and not a mini-boss. Like lets say Flaahgra. She did the same exact thing Boost Guardian did, only she guarded the Varia Suit. {{:User:Malake256/sig}} 22:03, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
In Japan, the enemy [[Geemer]] is called ジーマ (Jiima) and [[Zoomer]] is likely a mistranslation, because save for Zero Mission the rest of the main series calls them Geemers in English (also ヅ (dzu) and ジ (ji) look alike.) But in the Prime series, both Zoomers and Geemers are there, and in the Japanese version they are called ギーマー (Giimaa). Should all Zoomer data besides Prime's also be with Geemer, since they are technically the same creature? [[User:Zharkaer|Zharkaer]] ([[User talk:Zharkaer|talk]]) 08:53, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
Excuse me for not knowing much about Japan V English copies, you said save for Zero Mission. Are they called Zoomers in the english copy? [[User:Phoenix!|Phoenix!]] ([[User talk:Phoenix!|talk]]) 01:16, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
:Yes, the only games to call them Zoomers in English are Metroid 1, Zero Mission, and the Prime series, I believe. [[User:Zharkaer|Zharkaer]] ([[User talk:Zharkaer|talk]]) 04:50, 28 December 2016 (UTC)


:::A boss is usually the most powerful creature in its area and usually more difficult than the mini-bosses found in its area.[[User:Metroidking|Metroidking]] 23:32, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
In that case, I would support having 3 articles, Zoomer/Geemer in all other games article, Zoomer (prime) article, and Geemer (prime) article


::::I'm just saying they should all be marked simply as bosses to avoid confusion or discrepancy. I feel it's an unnecessary category. {{:User:Malake256/sig}} 05:16, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
== Request to Combine Green, Orange, Purple, Silver, Red, and Gold credit articles ==


:::::Alright, see if you can get the category deleted then. There's only a handful of pages in it so it anyway. [[User:Metroidking|Metroidking]] 06:58, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
The problem with all 6 of these articles is that they are stubs and extremely similar, so combining them into 1 article removes 6 stubs and simply looks cleaner.


The article can have the title "Credits (insert something)". The insert something is to seperate it from other articles about staff credits.
[[User:Phoenix!|Phoenix!]] ([[User talk:Phoenix!|talk]]) 01:16, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
:On a similar note, is there really a point in having separate articles for all the [[Door]] types? [[User:Zharkaer|Zharkaer]] ([[User talk:Zharkaer|talk]]) 06:04, 28 December 2016 (UTC)


== Rooms ==
== Should email address be required for new accounts? ==
We are only making pages for rooms that have something major (such as a boss or an artifact) in them and not for every single room in each game correct? [[User:Metroidking|Metroidking]] 18:48, 15 June 2010 (UTC)


:Sure, for right now I guess. I mean if you can pull out extensive research on some save room then go for it lol. Nah just do important rooms. And I'd say even having a missile expansion makes a room important. What would you say? {{:User:Malake256/sig}} 18:59, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
On this wiki, a login is required to edit pages, analogous to requiring a login to post on a forum. But while nearly all forums also require an email address to be specified, this wiki doesn't require that, even for new accounts. So how about making email confirmation a requirement for all new accounts. The requirement should not affect existing users who have not (yet) specified a valid email address.


::Pages for every single room with a missile expansion (or other types of expansions) would be more suited for a walkthrough site in my opinion, plus with the hundreds of expansions it would take a while to do the research. [[User:Metroidking|Metroidking]] 19:23, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
After all, many users here are registered on forums where this is required, how about specifying the same email address here as on those forums?--[[User:Xanthipos|Xanthipos]] ([[User talk:Xanthipos|talk]]) 19:52, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
:What benefit does that provide? -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|talk]]) 20:29, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
:: Same benefits as the equivalent does on many forums? To require it here would not exclude anyone who is not excluded on most forums.--[[User:Xanthipos|Xanthipos]] ([[User talk:Xanthipos|talk]]) 00:50, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
:::That doesn't answer the question, so I'd have to say there's no reason to require it and we won't be changing our policy. -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|talk]]) 05:34, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
 
Do you have any idea what benefits it brings on most forums or not?--[[User:Xanthipos|Xanthipos]] ([[User talk:Xanthipos|talk]]) 07:42, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
:I only run wikis, so no I don't. -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|talk]]) 07:58, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
 
== Metroid II's page need updating, bad ==
 
Guys. The page is in shambles! No gameplay screenshots, no concept art, it needs help. I can try to fix it, but one person? I need some support here. If we can update this, that's a core article no one has to worry about. [[User:FederationForceYellow|FederationForceYellow]] ([[User talk:FederationForceYellow|talk]]) 20:48, 11 December 2020 (UTC) Ok, never mind. more importantly, where the heck is everybody?! Prod and I are the only people on the recent changes list! Where did everyone go? [[User:FederationForceYellow|FederationForceYellow]] ([[User talk:FederationForceYellow|talk]]) 13:46, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
 
== metriod dread ==
 
we are seriously lacking any stuff on it
 
== md class for Metroid Dread ==
 
I have created [[Template:Md-colored]] for linking to [[Metroid Dread]] from "Position in Timeline" boxes. It uses the <code>md</code> CSS class, but this still needs to be added to the site's style sheet with a suitable color. [[User:Chloekek|Chloekek]] ([[User talk:Chloekek|talk]]) 13:35, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
 
:Do you have a suggested color? -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|talk]]) 16:28, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
 
::Perhaps a shade of red such as <span style="color: #ff000c; font-weight: bold;">#ff000c</span>, as it appears on the box art. [[User:Chloekek|Chloekek]] ([[User talk:Chloekek|talk]]) 00:07, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
:::Done. [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|talk]]) 04:26, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
 
== Is there a way to change the username? ==
Like the title says, I'd like to change my username, but it seems there is no way to do that on my own. Thanks. -[[User:Kn0p3XX|Kn0p3XX]] ([[User talk:Kn0p3XX|talk]]) 12:48, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
 
:What username would you like it changed to? [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|talk]]) 01:43, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
::I'd like to have '''MetroidCatcher''' please. Thanks! [[User:Kn0p3XX|Kn0p3XX]] ([[User talk:Kn0p3XX|talk]]) 14:48, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
:::Done. [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|talk]]) 22:28, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
 
== Question regarding Dread's, Samus Returns, and Prime Remastered ==
 
Hello, I wanted to ask a question in regards to some of the pages for Dread, Samus Returns, and Prime Remastered. I have noticed a number of these pages are incomplete and wanted to ask if I could help at all for any of these pages. I have capture card capabilities and would be able to at least get pictures and footage for Prime Remastered and Dread, though I don't want to just go ahead and add anything without permission. I know given the current state of this wiki not much has happened and have read the Copy Right page, though I just wanted to get clarification on if adding my own footage and captures are ok to better help these games pages get updated.
 
[[User:SuperaJokera|SuperaJokera]] ([[User talk:SuperaJokera|talk]]) 19:53, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
 
:Those pages could really use some help. Your changes have been good so far, so please continue.
:Any images you add are technically copyrighted by the game companies. Just make sure you add the appropriate templates to the file upload pages and it should be fine. You can take a look at some of the other uploaded files as examples. [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|talk]]) 23:14, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
 
== Need help Cropping and Editing Category on Images ==
 
Hello again. I have gotten around to getting images from Dread, however, I don't know exactly how to crop them/edit the categories. Am I doing anything wrong that can be clarified? [[User:SuperaJokera|SuperaJokera]] ([[User talk:SuperaJokera|talk]]) 01:00, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
 
== May Need to Update or Remove some Affiliate Links ==
 
Hello. I have noticed that Metroid HQ and Metroid Database link to either error pages or an unrelated game ad. I think these links either need to be updated or removed. Metroid HQ has seemingly not posted anything on any social media since 2021, but this is only from a basic Google search, and I think Database has just changed their url. [[User:SuperaJokera|SuperaJokera]] ([[User talk:SuperaJokera|talk]]) 18:12, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
 
:I have since looked in Metroid Database, and they have seemingly removed this Wiki from their list of affiliates. [[User:SuperaJokera|SuperaJokera]] ([[User talk:SuperaJokera|talk]]) 18:18, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
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