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| It needs to be enabled. Else our articles are image-less. --[[User:Garlic Man|Garlic Man]] 22:49, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
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| ::I know you know Garlic. Just pointing it out for other readers, but image uploading is now enabled. {{:User:Melchizedek/sig}} 04:50, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
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| | For the longest time, the main page has said that this is a Metroid wiki that "anyone can edit." But everytime I've tried to edit as an IP, it says only users can edit. One of these two things should be changed. [[User:JamesHeart123|JamesHeart123]] ([[User talk:JamesHeart123|talk]]) 04:18, 4 July 2013 (UTC) |
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| == Protection ==
| | : IPs used to be able to edit but spambots can become unbearable. I liked it better when IPs could edit as well. I can't change whether or not IPs can edit but i can change the text, what should I change it to? Nothing comes to mind, maybe we can redirect it to the log in screen {{:User:Malake256/sig}} 05:03, 4 July 2013 (UTC) |
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| Could the Main Page be protected? Main Pages are often vandalism targets on any wiki. [[User:Super Mario Bros.|Super Mario Bros.]] 00:30, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
| | ::Anyone still ''can'' edit. Anyone can make an account. It's free and easy, and saying "Anyone with an account can edit" sounds pretty bumbling to me. I know it would be better if IPs could still edit, but the spam is unbearable. Saying anyone can edit is not misleading. Sorry if I'm coming across a little bit unsympathetic, but how hard is it to make an account? =\ I think the redirect idea is great. {{:User:Embyr_75/sig}} 23:38, 4 July 2013 (UTC) |
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| :Actually, at this point, only two users could edit it if we protected it. So I say wait a while. We will protect it after we have a legitimate Main Page. (At this point, the Wiki is too young to be even found by vandals). --[[User:Garlic Man|Garlic Man]] 00:31, 28 January 2010 (UTC) | | :::I support allowing IPs to edit, however every single time we've allowed it, spam spikes up which leads to us forbidding it again. I really hate having to forbid it again and again due to a few spammers ruining it for everyone. I think we could try allowing it again, if the spam stays at a tolerable level or nonexistent we can leave it be. {{:User:Metroidking/sig}} 03:14, 5 July 2013 (UTC) |
| ::I see what you mean. I agree. [[User:Super Mario Bros.|Super Mario Bros.]] 00:37, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
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| :::Well, damn. Mel protected it anyway. --[[User:Garlic Man|Garlic Man]] 01:29, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
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| ::::Oh, sorry, I didn't see this. Yeah I protected it as vandalism is probable. :) {{:User:Melchizedek/sig}} 04:48, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
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| == News ==
| | ::::We could add as many filters and blocks as we can find for spam, but it always seems to find a way. I'm team IP! {{:User:Malake256/sig}} 11:08, 5 July 2013 (UTC) |
| | :::::StrategyWiki doesn't get hit too badly with spam. I'd suggest taking a look at some of those blacklists and copy them here. If you're ready to have IP editing re-enabled, leave a message on my talk page (or skype) and I'll take care of it. -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|talk]]) 03:12, 6 July 2013 (UTC) |
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| We can start adding a "Metroid News" section to the Main Page right now, as the official Japanese website of [http://metroid.jp/ Other M] went online today. Be careful - http://metroid.jp/ is the Other M site, while http://www.metroid.jp/ gives you the Prime site. - [[User:Cobold|Cobold]] 20:33, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
| | ::::::I've reenabled it for the time being, hopefully spam will be low :). {{:User:Metroidking/sig}} 23:34, 8 July 2013 (UTC) |
| :Good stuff. At the moment, it looks like the site is just the one picture and the nice piano music, but we'll be keeping an eye on it for updates. --[[User:Garlic Man|Garlic Man]] 21:45, 29 January 2010 (UTC) | | == Donut Plains == |
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| ::I have updated the main page design once again, and have included a "news" section. {{:User:Melchizedek/sig}} 08:41, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
| | I've noticed that our affiliate Donut Plains has gone offline and the domain registration has expire, has anyone heard from them concerning this? {{:User:Metroidking/sig}} 03:19, 5 July 2013 (UTC) |
| :::Also, http://metroid.jp/ and http://www.metroid.jp/ now both direct to the Metroid Other M site. -Garlic Man
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| | : I was the one that responded to them but I lost the email I used a long time ago. It was a small website, so I'm assuming it just went offline. Also, nice to see you around :D {{:User:Malake256/sig}} 11:08, 5 July 2013 (UTC) |
| Someone should enable .ogg or .mp3 uploading, so we can back up the music from metroid.jp. [[User:Twentytwofiftyseven|Twentytwofiftyseven]] 04:38, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
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| :Added to the list of things to do. By the way, general points of question like that are what we have the [[Metroid Wiki:Discussion Center]] for. This page is for the discussion of the main page. :) {{:User:Melchizedek/sig}} 04:48, 31 January 2010 (UTC) | | :: I saved the email address but unfortunately it is a @donutplains.net address. With it offline, it don't think we have any way to get into contact with them :( I'll try to . and nice to see you too :).{{:User:Metroidking/sig}} 01:22, 6 July 2013 (UTC) |
| | :::Just checked on [http://web.archive.org/web/20120501000000*/http://donutplains.net Archive.com]. seems they've been out of commission for almost a year now , I'll remove them from the sidebar and main page template. {{:User:Metroidking/sig}} 01:41, 6 July 2013 (UTC) |
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| :I am not enabling it publicly, but the music from that site can be present here. There is copyright issues we could run into if we let everyone run around adding music files. [[User:Nathanial Rumphol-Janc|Nathanial Rumphol-Janc]] 09:43, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
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| ::Okay. [http://linkjorge.net/output.mp3 Here] is the extracted music file, if you need it. Also, will we be keeping the current 2 MB file upload limit? I have a 5000 x 2380 version of the Other M logo, and it's 4.15 MB. (I also have the Other M trailer in the original quality, and it's 47.8 MB...) [[User:Twentytwofiftyseven|Twentytwofiftyseven]] 19:44, 2 February 2010 (UTC) | | Just a thought: We currently use a Tabbed Template for our Featured Articles and Featured Pictures. The latest Tabs are toggled to display by default. Is there a way to set the default displayed Tab to be a random tab? I'm getting a little sick of seeing Quadraxis down there everyday. =\ We get the best of both worlds that way: a random feature on the page per visit, and the ability to toggle through features. Thoughts on pros/cons of this idea and plausibility? {{:User:Embyr_75/sig}} 00:34, 25 July 2013 (UTC) |
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| Probably due to the fact that we added another news headline, the "Welcome" and "News" boxes on the Main Page now aren't lined up correctly. I don't know how to fix this, however. [[User:Garlic Man|Garlic Man]] 18:11, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
| | Until we implement a permanent solution for the Remember Me? section (as currently being discussed at the [[Metroid_Wiki:Discussion_Center|Discussion Center]]), I want to suggest turning that area into, basically, a "To-Do List" with links to important categories, like Stubs, Inadequate Images, Articles Lacking Images, etc. It'd be a place to make editors aware of current projects and give them access to things that need doing on the front page. If no one objects I'll throw something together in the next couple days. {{:User:Embyr_75/sig}} 05:07, 2 September 2013 (UTC) |
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| :Is what I fixed what you were meaning? {{:User:Melchizedek/sig}} 05:23, 8 February 2010 (UTC) | | :Not a bad idea, sounds good to me. {{:User:Metroidking/sig}} 15:25, 2 September 2013 (UTC) |
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| ::They still aren't on the same row. :( [[User:Garlic Man|Garlic Man]] 19:44, 8 February 2010 (UTC) | | ::I created something and threw it up there, but I don't know how to create a new class so that I can have a semi-transparent image behind the content like the other boxes do. I was thinking of either [[:File:Mp2infobox.png|this mp2 one]] or [[:File:Featured Article 2.png|this Chozo one]], or we could upload an entirely new image. {{:User:Embyr_75/sig}} 00:59, 3 September 2013 (UTC) |
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| :::What browser are you using? And can you take a screenshot, because no such problem shows up for me. {{:User:Melchizedek/sig}} 20:13, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
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| ::::He is correct, some resolutions do appear to have them unproportionate.[[User:Steve|Steve]] 02:05, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
| | Hello! I wanted to request changing the infobox backrounds on pages to a lighter color, because it is extremely hard to read the black lettering on the dark purple box. |
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| :::::Been like that for me since this edit by Steve: http://metroidwiki.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&diff=next&oldid=893
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| :::::I doubt it's a resolution issue since I have a widescreen, so it is probably an issue with Google Chrome. {{:User:Triforce of the Gods/sig}} 03:23, 9 February 2010 (UTC) | | [[User:Yeetomatic|Yeetomatic]] ([[User talk:Yeetomatic|talk]]) 18:15, 29 July 2021 (UTC) |
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| ::::::I have gone on a testing spree. Basically, the coding works perfectly in Firefox. It is in line and has curved edges. In IE, the news box is pushed underneath the welcome box. In Google Chrome the text of the two boxes overlaps, making it illegible, which is the same for Safari. So, we'll need to fix that up for cross browser compatibility, which is on the list to do: though only Firefox is going to have the rounded edges, no matter what is done.{{:User:Melchizedek/sig}} 05:00, 9 February 2010 (UTC) | | :Do you have a suggested colour? -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|talk]]) 19:42, 29 July 2021 (UTC) |
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| :::::::Okay. Issue has been fixed. {{:User:Melchizedek/sig}} 08:43, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
| | Maybe like a light yellowy orange, like the color of Samus’s regular beam in the beginning of Super Metroid. |
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| ::::::::You can actually get the round borders in many browsers, it's just that you do it differently. Instead of "-moz-border-radius" you need "-webkit-border-radius" (for safari, chrome, and a few others) "-khtml-border-radius" (for konquerer) or just "border-radius" (for everything else that supports round borders). That does mean you need to write essentially the same thing 4 times for full support, however... so maybe just put a round border class into monobook.css. [[User:Twentytwofiftyseven|Twentytwofiftyseven]] 23:05, 10 February 2010 (UTC) | | [[User:Yeetomatic|Yeetomatic]] ([[User talk:Yeetomatic|talk]]) 22:08, 30 July 2021 (UTC) |
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| :::Hey, thanks, I didn't know that. I'll get round to it. {{:User:Melchizedek/sig}} 08:33, 11 February 2010 (UTC) | | :Which page are you looking at? Text should be green, not black. -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|talk]]) 03:07, 1 August 2021 (UTC) |
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| I don't get it. Why are you guys making a second Wikitroid? How is that practical? [[Special:Contributions/76.116.73.125|76.116.73.125]] 23:32, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
| | [[User:Yeetomatic|Чεετοматιс ]] ([[User talk:Yeetomatic|talk]]) 11:34, 1 August 2021 (UTC) |
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| :What's this Wikitroid? I never heard of it. [[Special:Contributions/66.140.75.71|66.140.75.71]] 00:13, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
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| :http://metroid.wikia.com/ It has 2,165 articles and they aren't all stubs like the ones here. [[Special:Contributions/76.116.73.125|76.116.73.125]] 00:14, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
| | Ohhhhh. Its only black on mobile. Its green on comp. |
| | [[User:Yeetomatic|Чεετοматιс ]] ([[User talk:Yeetomatic|talk]]) 13:37, 14 August 2021 (UTC) |
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| :There's already multiple Zelda wikis, Mario wikis, Pokemon wikis, etc., so I fail to see why a second Metroid wiki is any different. And for the record, this wiki is just starting out.[[User:Steve|Steve]] 00:15, 11 February 2010 (UTC) | | :Oh, that makes more sense! I'll take a look. [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|talk]]) 14:48, 14 August 2021 (UTC) |
| | ::All the styles in templates seem to be hard-coded. It's a lot of work to clean all of this up. I'll see if I can do some basic fixes, but it's going to be a lot of work before the mobile side looks as good as the desktop. [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|talk]]) 15:05, 14 August 2021 (UTC) |
| | :::[[User:Yeetomatic]] I've made some changes to one of the templates. How does [[Wii|this]] page look? If it's good, I'll make the changes to another set of templates. [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|talk]]) 01:53, 16 August 2021 (UTC) |
| | ::::I've updated all the infobox style templates now. Please let me know if there's any other pages that don't look right on mobile! [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|talk]]) 23:39, 16 August 2021 (UTC) |
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| :You pointed out that there are multiple wikis (of which, I only know that Zelda has two "high-class" wikis), however you didn't justify the creation of this second Wikitroid. Like I said, it doesn't seem pratical to request peoples' time to do something that was already done. [[Special:Contributions/76.116.73.125|76.116.73.125]] 00:17, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
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| ::This was created out of Metroid fans wanting to collaborate together and form a wiki, the same as any other. [[User:Steve|Steve]] 00:21, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
| | Oop! All fixed now. Thank you! Looks remarkable and no longer nigh on impossible to read. Thanks for the help! |
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| :I don't get it. Why not just work on the existing articles? Having two Zelda wikis is bad enough. [[Special:Contributions/76.116.73.125|76.116.73.125]] 00:22, 11 February 2010 (UTC) | | [[User:Yeetomatic|Чεετοматιс ]] ([[User talk:Yeetomatic|talk]]) 13:29, 19 August 2021 (UTC) |
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| ::At this point you need to just leave, because if you truly believe we are no good, then there's no logic in you being here. [[User:Steve|Steve]] 00:26, 11 February 2010 (UTC) | | :No problem! I got the most important parts. There's a lot more I could do, but I would be here all day :P. If there's any major ones you see please let me know. You can also find me on discord if you want. </nowiki> [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|talk]]) 17:05, 19 August 2021 (UTC) |
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| Wikia has totalitarian administrators that nobody even knows who they are. I guess we'll just laugh in their faces once we're bigger than them. --[[User:Garlic Man|Garlic Man]] 00:52, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
| | :Hi sorry to bring up a seemingly resolved issue, but the info boxes are still black on dark purple for me on mobile. The problem is especially visible on the [[Energy Tank]] page in the locations section. |
| | [[User:PesterJester|PesterJester]] ([[User talk:PesterJester|talk]]) 12:59, 17 October 2021 (UTC) |
| | ::If you're having the issue, it's not resolved. Looks like that page is fully custom colouring. I'll take a look this week. Thanks for pointing it out! -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|talk]]) 02:45, 18 October 2021 (UTC) |
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| ::I don't need to leave, and you are being hostile. I'm trying to see if you guys are doing something worth doing or asking people to waste their time. From your responses, it appears to be the latter, but I'd love for you to prove me wrong. [[Special:Contributions/76.116.73.125|76.116.73.125]] 00:54, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
| | == Metroid Dread and Samus Returns == |
| :::Well quit wasting your precious time by whining about it then. [[User:Garlic Man|Garlic Man]] 00:56, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
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| Hello, Garlic Man. I'm [http://metroid.wikia.com/wiki/User:ChozoBoy ChozoBoy], an administrator and the top contributor to Wikitroid. I enjoy making art, reading novels, and designing games with educational components. Now you know who I am, but we still do not know who you are! :)
| | Why doesn't this Wiki have more content about Samus Returns and Dread [[User:Thegameandwatch|Thegameandwatch]] ([[User talk:Thegameandwatch|talk]]) 13:43, 22 October 2021 (UTC) |
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| By the way, I don't believe I've ever seen you at Wikitroid in the past few years I've been editing there. [[User:ChozoBoy|ChozoBoy]] 01:01, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
| | :No one has written it unfortunately. [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|talk]]) 13:47, 22 October 2021 (UTC) |
| :Was that IP address you? [[User:Garlic Man|Garlic Man]] 01:05, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
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| :No, I've already posed this question on my [[User_talk:ChozoBoy|talk page]], however. I was posting a [http://metroid.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Minor_Metroid_News news story] about this project when I came back to look for a response and discovered that I was a totalitarian! :( [[User:ChozoBoy|ChozoBoy]] 01:11, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
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| : Ok, first off welcome guys, and I apologize for the initial hostility of the the two admins, they may have reacted a bit harsh. They have had some very bad experiences at wikia in general over the years. I figured some wikitroid folks would eventually come over here and be like "so bros, wtf!". Let me explain a few things, as I am the founder of this site. Metroid Wiki has no hostile feelings towards Wikitroid itself, I am sure you guys are good folk with solid goals, and I respect the work you guys have done. Unfortunately, wikitroid is not an independent Wiki, which is the significant difference between the two wikis, just like it is a big difference between the Mario Wikia and Super Mario Wiki, as well as Zelda Pedia and Zelda Wiki. What this means is: This wiki doesn't exist to line the pockets of another. Now, obviously, you guys don't feel that way, and you shouldn't. To you, Wikitroid is a solid wiki on a solid network. Unfortunately, wikia is a network purely designed around lineing the pockets of the two people that own it. They have tried on several occasions to buy out Zelda Wiki to combine it's content into Zelda Pedia, and buying out wiki's is exactly the business they are in: Just so they can turn around and force a layout as well as their own standards, and enforce giant advertisements which do nothing but get in the way. | | Set background-attachment: fixed; |
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| : I think you guys can agree, just on initial entrance here, that this wiki's look and feel is much cleaner, and that's just one of several advantages being an independent wiki has. I get the whole "why exist when another does it" - it's the same argument for fan sites. I run Zelda Informer, but why have a Zelda fan site when there is Zelda Universe and Zelda Dungeon? The better question is... why not? Our policies we feel are much more user friendly, and no one gets to line their pockets here at MW: All add revenue goes directly to hosting, and if there is spill over, it will be used for contests and the like to give it right back to those that contribute. Think of this wiki as more a "community oriented" wiki, where as wikitroid, by default of being part of the wikia network, exist to make money. I know it's a hard concept to wrap the mind around, but unfortunately that is what wikia has always been, and always will be. Part of me feels bad for people like you guys that put so much effort into the wiki's there so others can reap the benfits, all while having to conform to ugly layouts and their standards with giant forced ads. It's something we don't do here, and we pride ourselves in the community aspect of being a wiki. [[User:Nathanial Rumphol-Janc|Nathanial Rumphol-Janc]] 01:15, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
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| ::Yes, I love the layout (We just switched ours recently, but I'd love for whoever did this one to lend us a hand!), however our policies aren't exactly very strict, as suggested. Most are derived from RfA's, in which any user may vote. You've mentioned profit quite a few times. Why is profit a concern if none of us are actually concerned with it? (Our goals obviously being to make information readily available.) [[User:ChozoBoy|ChozoBoy]] 01:26, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
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| :::I apologize if I rubbed off as being hostile, it just seemed you were trying to start a fight, and as Nathan has said, I haven't exactly had the best of dealings with Wikia.[[User:Steve|Steve]] 01:44, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
| | :I think it's interesting, but the colourful background could make the contrast on some pages a bit harder to see. [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|talk]]) 19:34, 20 March 2024 (UTC) |
| | | ::ok I think you are right [[Special:Contributions/41.107.96.81|41.107.96.81]] 16:19, 21 March 2024 (UTC) |
| ::::Certainly not! I'm only inquiring. This anti-Wikia sentiment is new to me. I only really see user contributions at Wikitroid and nothing coming from Wikia has ever gotten me in a tizzy because they aren't around there so I'm not sure whether we are "the rule" or "the exception".
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| ::::I guess my real question then would be: What exactly is there to be gained in remaking Wikitroid (several of the larger articles here are already rewrites of Wikitroid articles), that wouldn't be surpassed in applying the same level of contribution to the areas that we still need editors to develop over there? [[User:ChozoBoy|ChozoBoy]] 01:49, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
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| ::::: The bottom line is, we exist because wikitroid is on wikia. Like I said, I have nothing personal against wikitroid, except that it is on, and obviously because it there, supports the wikia network. We, essentially, are anti wikia. They buy out independent wiki's to form what is, essentially, a powerhouse network to feed to their money grubbing hands. Have you seen your Samus Aran page? Never mind that the actual content of it is pretty good - the whole page to is ruined because there 6, count it, 6 banner ads on that page alone. No matter how good the content is, the constant enforcement of wikia banners, especially in those numbers is astounding. Like I said, it's not that wikitroid is a bad wiki, it's that it supports a money grubbing network, or heck for all I know, may have been bought out by said money grubbing network, as they tried to do with Zelda Wiki, did with WoW Wikia, and several other wiki's on their network. Essentially, Wikia is trying to own the net, and eliminate the ability for independent wiki's to exist and be successful. This is why wiki's like this one, Bulbapedia (pokemon wiki), Super Mario Wiki, and Zelda Wiki exist - because we all firmly believe that independent wiki's are the best. Even if they don't have much say on your policies in general, they do have a significant say in teh layout (all wikia's essentially work and look exactly the same, just with different colors) and they all our overrun with monetizing ads. No this doesn't effect you personally.
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| ::::: As I said, this isn't anything against wikitroid - it's the wikia network we do not support, which is why we cannot support Wikitroid, as it is guilty by association. They are trying to buy out the internet, and we are trying to prevent it. [[User:Nathanial Rumphol-Janc|Nathanial Rumphol-Janc]] 02:45, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
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| ::::I only see the small banners in the lower sidebar and on the very bottom of the page, though I realize that anonymous editors may see one or two more. I doubt that Wikia is trying to "buy out the internet", only wikis (which is sort of their niche, obviously). Suppose that I'm not really bothered by the small ads on the side and bottom, and that I don't care that Wikia makes some funds to fuel more wikis off of the charity work that we do. Is their any other justification to support a complete reworking of this type of thing?
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| ::::I'm just wondering if this is something I ought to be paying more attention to, because a few of you are very passionate about it, but only seem to be grasping at straws from my perspective. I couldn't say I'd be interested in reestablishing the structure we've built, foresaking the edits I've made, or dropping the projects we're working on in favor of starting from scratch just to drive Wikia to the ground. [[User:ChozoBoy|ChozoBoy]] 03:01, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
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| ::::: And I'm not asking you to, I am merely explaining to you our position. As for the Samus Aran page: You have the top banner, one below the bottom right of the Samus Aran details, one on the bottom left under wikia answers, 2 at the bottom of the article, and 3 at the bottom of the layout. Thats 8 ads, which basically appear on every page of the wiki. It's monestized, the entire wiki is, and they only want it on their network for money purposes. Did you read that? EIGHT ads. Not even a big gaming site like ign has that many - they top out at 4 if you count the background image. We have had several dealing with the people who run wikia (the two people), and it's clear what their intention is. It's not really grasping at straws - an entirely new network for independent wiki's is in the works to try and counter wikia, because of how they do business. Wiki's are also not "their niche" - they created a network and started buying out wiki's, thats not a niche, that's a corporation. Think google buying out youtube, does that mean daily motion shouldn't exist? [[User:Nathanial Rumphol-Janc|Nathanial Rumphol-Janc]] 03:34, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
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| Just to interject here for a moment. Most Wikia ads are hidden for members of Wikia. So if you are an editor for a Wikia wiki, then most ads are hidden for you when you are logged into it. But most people that view wikis are just viewers, not editors. They are the people you have to think about when it comes to ads. --[[User:Matt|Matt]] 05:30, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
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| :Examining some of the articles here, I've noticed that these wikis bear advertisements as well. (The double-underlined blue links that create Mouseover bubbles found here, and the green ones at Zelda Wiki.) Your new Samus Aran stub article already has one advertisement and the ''Metroid Fusion'' article already contains seven. These advertisements even display for the editors, and aren't related to the wiki. Those described at Wikitroid are for Wikia Spotlight, which Wikitroid plans to apply for shortly, so we will be advertised at all of the Wikia wikis in conjunction with the upcoming release of ''Metroid: Other M''. [[User:ChozoBoy|ChozoBoy]] 05:59, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
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| ::ChozoBoy, let me introduce myself, Cipriano 119 here. I really don't see the benefit of the constant inquisition coming from your side. Really, if someone wants to create a wiki on Metroid, let them do so! Who cares if there is another established one! To be honest, it's about time another wiki showed up in challenge of Wikitroid, as most other Nintendo games have at least two wikis to choose from. Regardless of specifics, this wiki is completely entitled to do what it is doing. I respect Wikitroid very much, and do see that this wiki is a long ways away from achieving the prestige the Wikia site has, but please, at least give this site some time! =) {{User:Cipriano 119/sig}} 06:15, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
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| ::Because a few users have now made comments like this, I'm going to have to repeat that I'm inquiring and not e-bullying. I was looking for the justification, and the explanation appears to have been expended. [[User:ChozoBoy|ChozoBoy]] 06:22, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
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| ::It's called inline text advertising, and it's to pay our bills. There can be a maximum of 8 total words underlined, that is way more unubtrusive then 8 banner related ads that take up the whole wiki. On top of that, they are used to pay for our hosting - it's not free, you know. Also, you think your ads are actually all related to wikia and your wiki? really? Log out once and take a gander. Ad for Dante's Inferno, Advertisments for Food, Google Adsense is present, just saw a king and conquere online mmorpg ad, and a sprint telephone ad. A majority of your viewers wont be the editors, the folk that log in and do stuff, just people there to research information, adn that is what those people see. That is where wikia makes all it's money. We make like, 12 cents a day. New Samus Aran Stub... you do realize we just went live like... 3 days ago right? All the pages are new, and inline text ads are random. They pick a word out that it has an ad for, and it's hidden unless you mouse over. SOme apges will have a max of 8 total words, some wont have more then 1 or 2. We don't control that, of course I can, but at 12 cents a day it's hardly something to moderate at this time. Are you really comparing inline text ads to piss loads of banner ads? Your wiki, as a guess off the top of my head, prolly produces around 800$ a month for Wikia, while it costs 30$ a month for the wiki to be online. Were just covering our server bills, and the rest goes to contests - wikia is just making bank role off you guys, and I am sorry you don't see it that way.
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| ::I don't really see why you keep pressing the issue, to be honest. It's pretty obvious were not going anywhere. [[User:Nathanial Rumphol-Janc|Nathanial Rumphol-Janc]] 06:23, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
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| :::I apologize. I was hoping that after setting this wiki up, that you would be able to go somewhere. [[User:ChozoBoy|ChozoBoy]] 06:25, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
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| ::::And were not? We've been online for 2 to 3 days. We have active users, and content is being made. What do you expect? [[User:Nathanial Rumphol-Janc|Nathanial Rumphol-Janc]] 06:34, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
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| ::::I thought we were discussing the premise for this new wiki? [[User:ChozoBoy|ChozoBoy]] 06:37, 11 February 2010 (UTC) | |
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| :::::I think the premise has been pretty well discussed. It's like we said from the start: We are an independent Metroid Wiki, that is the reason of our existence. There are plenty examples of other independent wiki's out there who have great success, even with a wikia counterpart. We have expressed our severe distaste for what wikia stands for, and how we like what were doing. Not sure what more a premise you are looking for. It seems like your digging for a reason to leave wikitroid for this project, and I don't have one to give you except that we are free of wikia, something that doesn't bother you. [[User:Nathanial Rumphol-Janc|Nathanial Rumphol-Janc]] 06:41, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
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| :::Competition is good for the economy, so get over it. {{:User:Melchizedek/sig}} 08:28, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
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| Ah, there's nothing like a common enemy to drive a website into new heights! [[User:Uncle Meat|Uncle Meat]] 08:52, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
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| ::Now, in all seriosusness. There are two types of wiki's on the internet. Independent ones, and others that are hosted at places like Wikia. I won't delve into wiki philosophy, but many wiki users dislike Wikia, and prefer independent wikis, that are run by fans out of their own pockets. They like communities, where the only advertising we use is to keep ourselves online, not to make profit.
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| ::Wikitroid and Metroid Wiki are going to have to coexist. This doesn't mean we have to be best friends, as the philosophy of independent wikis is quite against Wikia, but we don't have to be childish. I know of plenty of cases between independent and Wikia wikis where there is fighting, inter-wiki vandalism, and often all out war. We don't want that with Wikitroid ChozoBoy. Yes, we are competitors, or rivals if you will, but we're civil. We won't tolerate our members doing anything disrespectful to Wikitroid simply out of wiki pride, and we won't tolerate direct copying of material from Wikitroid. What we seek is simply for our two wikis to exist, and to be competing, but to leave each other alone. Let's compete through content quality, not by vandalism as so many have done before us. We only hope, that you are kind enough to return this favor. {{:User:Melchizedek/sig}} 10:42, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
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| :::And so we find ourselves at an impasse, MetroidWiki and Wikitroid. I see no oncoming "war" as you put it, only sincere frustration at the matter of Wikitroid articles being, dare I say, stolen. The fact that neither of this Wiki's members can accept the possibilities of said acts, only furthers the conflict. Also, I do not recall any of Wikitroid's users behaving "childishly" over this matter, but mere concern. Wikitroid simply wishes to ensure, the very laws that govern this type of matter be held in account. I expect this Wiki's authorities to ensure that the felony of Plagiarism does not find it's way into the desperation of furthering this site's "borders". And if it has occurred, I expect you to ensure it does not in the future. Though as has been mentioned no current member of this Wiki, truly holds any knowledge of the Metroid series and it's entirety. So it would occur to me, that your only real way of filling these articles, would be to either commit said crimes, or rely on anonymous contributions. Neither of which are effective enough to rely on however. So just as well, I do not see this "reference of Metroid data" to be active for very long as you have no true knowledge of what you are doing, Metroid or otherwise, this being demonstrated by your actions of immediate hostility and "bully, bully" attitudes. Just remember to keep in mind for as long as this Wiki remains active, that "stealing" Wikitroid's articular information is a federal crime, and is, by law, punishable by up to 4-6 years imprisonment. Please do not allow this to happen again, if not for the first time. If this does happen, rest assured, action ''will'' be taken. Thank you.
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| :::Senior Wikitroid Administrator,
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| :::{{User:Piratehunter/sig}} 22:29, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
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| ::::"Just remember to keep in mind for as long as this Wiki remains active, that "stealing" Wikitroid's articular information is a federal crime, and is, by law, punishable by up to 4-6 years imprisonment." This is false. We are writing about similar information, we cannot be thrown in jail for that. [[User:Leminnes|Leminnes]] 23:49, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
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| ::::Dude, if you honestly think we would steal from Wikitroid after the thousands of times we have had to pound it into Zeldapedia's head that they need to stop stealing from us, you're an idiot. The sites cover the same topics, they are going to be similar. The only way we can make the pages not identical in the slightest is if we lied and put false info. So get off your high horse and accept that you have competition now. {{:User:Triforce of the Gods/sig}} 22:50, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
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| ::::Also, if you noticed: Outside of Mel and Garlic, every user here has played metroid games. Have any of us played "all" of the metroid games? Of course not. Heck, a lot of us hail from the Zelda realm and haven't even played all of those games. I assure you, this wiki exists because fans of the series demanded it. The people contributing have, in fact, played metroid titles. [[User:Nathanial Rumphol-Janc|Nathanial Rumphol-Janc]] 22:52, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
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| It appears incivility is truly a virtue here. No matter you've been warned, that's all that matters to me at this given moment. I am only here to insure you know of the consequences, not to pass blame. And again when speaking to me I tend to take what is said much more seriously when it does not contain terms such as: "idiot" and "get off your high horse" (i.e. civil conversation). And please read my comments carefully, as I at no point accused you of plagiary, I simply informed you of the consequences. Of which I am seemingly being utterly prosecuted for. Please remember I am not here to cause trouble, I am simply here to try in keeping this matter civil, and ensuring everyone knows what ''not'' to do. And I do apologize on behalf of my co-workers if their comments seemed brutish in some way. They have seperate ways of dealing with these things. :) Thanks again. {{User:Piratehunter/sig}} 23:04, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
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| And that's why you accused us of never playing Metroid? I'm a member of MDB, BTW.
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| If you had read anything, you would have known that we have been through enough crap with the other wikias that we are the last wiki you need to preach about to plagiarism. How you honestly expected anyone to see that as anything other than accusing us of plagiarism is beyond me. {{:User:Triforce of the Gods/sig}} 23:08, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
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| Just saw your edit. I really had no problems with Wikitroid in the past and even edited there for a little bit and I really don't want that to change. {{:User:Triforce of the Gods/sig}} 23:11, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
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| :Thank you for clearing that up. I was a bit confused a second ago as it seemed you'd completely disregarded my explanation. :) Please, again, I don't intend for ''my'' comments to be accusative, personally, though I can't say the same about my colleagues. As I stated earlier they have different ways of going about these things. I just want to make sure this doesn't get out of control. I never said you folks did anything, just making sure you know not to. Don't take it personally. :) {{User:Piratehunter/sig}} 23:18, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
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| ::Glad we got that sorted out. Sorry for the misunderstanding {{:User:Triforce of the Gods/sig}} 23:21, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
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| :::No, no, I'm sorry for all this. ChozoBoy can be a bit headstrong at times. You just have to learn not to take it all that seriously. Just so it's clear to everyone that copying articles and whatnot is not a desirable thing in any case, I've done what I wish to do. :) Though we will more than likely be taking a number of precautions due to this accusation. Again, don't take it personally. Hope everything goes well <small>(but not too well...)</small> :) Thanks again. {{User:Piratehunter/sig}} 23:31, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
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| ::::I never really attacked Wikitroid, or called you personally an idiot. What baffles me I guess is your hear warning us... when we haven't done anything to be warned about. Thats the issue. When you mention the 4-6 years in prison and all this law stuff - it's not that I am ignoring it, it's that none of it even applies in anything presently going on. We have not broken any laws, so when it's brought up as you say (a warning), it appears as a threat. We are well aware of what we can and cannot do legally. If you feel we have broken the law, it is nice to come to us, but if we find it we haven't... then what? I don't hate wikitroid, I have never disliked it, I just don't like wikia and think we can possibly, long term, provide a better product. I wish wikitroid to stay around: Competing wiki's make the content better. Zelda Wiki would not be nearly as good as it is without Zelda Pedia, and vice versa. Through that has come copy paste jobs, which broke neither license agreement, but were shunned upon. Those jobs were simply taken, destroyed, and made 100 times better. I think this is all on the wrong foot here. We started heated right off the bat: I don't wish it to be so. I am just saying that when legal terms are being thrown around when a law wasn't broken, it's a scare tactic. It's hard to appreciate scare tactics from a direct competitor. [[User:Nathanial Rumphol-Janc|Nathanial Rumphol-Janc]] 00:02, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
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| :::::So are we all clear that this was all a big misunderstanding then? ;){{User:Piratehunter/sig}} 00:05, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
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| ::::::Unbelievable. You come here with your patronising warnings about federal crimes etc. (which are unnecessary and frankly rude and threatening, then say "ChozoBoy can be headstrong". As for the rest of you... Good look on the wiki. [[User:Hellkaiserryo12|Hellkaiserryo12]] 17:23, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
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| ==Image Copyright==
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| Hello sirs, I was wonding, is it required to have the copyright on all images? If so, I would happily go around and add it to images. I have done some (2, I belive, maybe 3) already, but I have decided it wouldbe a better idea to ask first.[[User:The Skull|The Skull]] 10:24, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
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| :Yes, every image is supposed to have the appropriate copyright template. To quote from the [[Metroid Wiki:Quality Standards|Quality Standards]]: ''"All images uploaded should be tagged with an image sourcing template to identify its copyrights."'' Greatly appreciated if you're willing to make sure all of the current images have their copyrights. :) {{:User:Melchizedek/sig}} 11:01, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
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| Of course, I'll try. I'm not exactly new to the series but there isn't much that I can post.
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| '''Edit''' Just to safe, I don't place the copyright thingy on images that have nothing to do with the games, like the image examples do I?
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| [[User:The Skull|The Skull]] 11:54, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
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| :::The image examples would use the <nowiki>{{ImageSelf}}</nowiki> template. Check out the [[Help:Image Sourcing]] for what templates to add to what images. {{:User:Melchizedek/sig}} 22:11, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
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| Image examples are locked. No templates for other pictures like the logo and affiliates banners. [[User:The Skull|The Skull]] 10:17, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
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| :For any protected images you come across, make a note on the talk page that an admin should deal with the copyright template. Every picture will have one template that applies to it. The logo and affiliate banners would be <nowiki>{{ImageSelf|A}}</nowiki>, with the appropriate username inserted where the A is. You would have to look at the file history to see who originally uploaded the file as to what to insert where the A is. {{:User:Melchizedek/sig}} 11:14, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
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| == Content Boxes ==
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| Some pages already have them, but I can't find it in the source. How do you add them? [[User:The Skull|The Skull]] 19:11, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
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| Hm ... It seems that when you add a heading and place a sub-heading below it they are added automatically. [[User:The Skull|The Skull]] 21:16, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
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| :I assume you're meaning the page Contents Menu. The menu only appears when there is a certain amount of headings (not sure on the exact number, but it might be four). You can force a table of Contents to appear by typing <nowiki>__TOC__</nowiki> where you want it to show. {{:User:Melchizedek/sig}} 22:14, 19 February 2010 (UTC) | |
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| Ah, thanks. [[User:The Skull|The Skull]] 10:05, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
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| == Why do you hate Wikia? ==
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| It's clear that you hate Wikia for some reason, but that's never been disclosed. Were any of our wikis copying yours? Cause if so, I'll make sure that it stops. Because trust me, this conflict is getting annoying. And no, this time I'm '''not''' blaming the admins. --[[User:RoyboyX|RoyboyX]] 20:18, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
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| :All I know is is that some random members of Zelda Wiki started copying Zeldapedia and even though ZW's admins dealt with it, ZP's admins started copying us, claiming it was the same thing, and for a long time would not stop copying us and every time we brought it up we were flamed and they claimed we were the ones acting like children. But that's just what I've seen/heard and I know there is more to it than that. {{:User:Triforce of the Gods/sig}} 20:30, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
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| ::Actually, Bobby, that's about the whole of it. But we don't hate Wikia or anything. We've just had bad experiences with them. I would love to be on good terms with a wiki from Wikia, much like WiKirby and the Kirby Wikia are. I'm hoping Metroid and Wikitroid will learn to coexist in peace.{{:User:Neo/sig}} 21:08, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
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| :Let be a bit clear: There are several reasons that we dislike Wikia in general that are not just related to the relations between wiki's. It's no secret that ZP and ZW have not gotten along pretty much ever, and that Wikitroid severely dislikes the fact we even exist, to the point of making legal threats and saying some very harsh things about us, including claiming we use "black" SEO tactics, which simply isn't true.
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| :Despite all this, it only hurts the relations between Wikitroid and Meteroid Wiki. The idea behind the NIWA Network and the whole independent wiki ordeal is not due to personal interwiki relations (though they don't help), but due to how Wikia is ran in general. It's well documented all over the net exactly how Wikia works, and how many of us have had personal dealings with wikia in regards to buying out our wiki's, using some underhanded empty promises to make it so. For some, this does make sense. If you are an upstart wiki that doesn't exist for x product and you can't afford hosting: What wikia offers is enticing.
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| :For wiki's who are already established or are growing on their own, what wikia offers is nothing short of a straight up buy out. In this buy out, you have to sacrifice the integrity of the wiki. You are required to change your legal license, and for guests to have double digit ads on almost every page. Some of the ads advertise fellow wiki's, some are just product ads. The point is... it's clutter. Most wiki's have ads, most don't overdo it like Wikia does. Add on top of exactly how wikia runs at the top and you can see some issues with it in general. Like I said, google "why we left wikia" you will find a lot of stuff out there that shows/tells you exactly why you shouldn't be with wikia.
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| :Again, I don't want relations to be so rough with wikitroid, but were not the one sgoing to their wiki and tearing them down, they are coming to our wiki and being fairly hostile. Obviously, no one takes hostility very well. [[User:Nathanial Rumphol-Janc|Nathanial Rumphol-Janc]] 21:22, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
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| == Round borders ==
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| I ported over WiKirby's template for rounding borders easily in most browsers. Just replace -moz-border-radius:Xpx with <nowiki>{{round|x}}</nowiki> to get it done. Treat the template like a style command and place a semicolon after it if it isn't the last item in the styling. The X will be the radius, and it defaults to 15 if it isn't defined.{{:User:Neo/sig}} 16:52, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
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