Talk:Main Page

File Uploading

It needs to be enabled. Else our articles are image-less. --Garlic Man 22:49, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

I know you know Garlic. Just pointing it out for other readers, but image uploading is now enabled. -Melchizedek  ^talk 04:50, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Protection

Could the Main Page be protected? Main Pages are often vandalism targets on any wiki. Super Mario Bros. 00:30, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Actually, at this point, only two users could edit it if we protected it. So I say wait a while. We will protect it after we have a legitimate Main Page. (At this point, the Wiki is too young to be even found by vandals). --Garlic Man 00:31, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

I see what you mean. I agree. Super Mario Bros. 00:37, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Well, damn. Mel protected it anyway. --Garlic Man 01:29, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Oh, sorry, I didn't see this. Yeah I protected it as vandalism is probable. :) -Melchizedek  ^talk 04:48, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

News

We can start adding a "Metroid News" section to the Main Page right now, as the official Japanese website of Other M went online today. Be careful - http://metroid.jp/ is the Other M site, while http://www.metroid.jp/ gives you the Prime site. - Cobold 20:33, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Good stuff. At the moment, it looks like the site is just the one picture and the nice piano music, but we'll be keeping an eye on it for updates. --Garlic Man 21:45, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

I have updated the main page design once again, and have included a "news" section. -Melchizedek  ^talk 08:41, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Also, http://metroid.jp/ and http://www.metroid.jp/ now both direct to the Metroid Other M site. -Garlic Man

File Uploading 2

Someone should enable .ogg or .mp3 uploading, so we can back up the music from metroid.jp. Twentytwofiftyseven 04:38, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Added to the list of things to do. By the way, general points of question like that are what we have the Metroid Wiki:Discussion Center for. This page is for the discussion of the main page. :) -Melchizedek  ^talk 04:48, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

I am not enabling it publicly, but the music from that site can be present here. There is copyright issues we could run into if we let everyone run around adding music files. Nathanial Rumphol-Janc 09:43, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Okay. Here is the extracted music file, if you need it. Also, will we be keeping the current 2 MB file upload limit? I have a 5000 x 2380 version of the Other M logo, and it's 4.15 MB. (I also have the Other M trailer in the original quality, and it's 47.8 MB...) Twentytwofiftyseven 19:44, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Spacing

Probably due to the fact that we added another news headline, the "Welcome" and "News" boxes on the Main Page now aren't lined up correctly. I don't know how to fix this, however. Garlic Man 18:11, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Is what I fixed what you were meaning? -Melchizedek  ^talk 05:23, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

They still aren't on the same row. :( Garlic Man 19:44, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

What browser are you using? And can you take a screenshot, because no such problem shows up for me. -Melchizedek  ^talk 20:13, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

He is correct, some resolutions do appear to have them unproportionate.Steve 02:05, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Been like that for me since this edit by Steve: http://metroidwiki.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&diff=next&oldid=893

I doubt it's a resolution issue since I have a widescreen, so it is probably an issue with Google Chrome. Triforce ^{(T C)} 03:23, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

I have gone on a testing spree. Basically, the coding works perfectly in Firefox. It is in line and has curved edges. In IE, the news box is pushed underneath the welcome box. In Google Chrome the text of the two boxes overlaps, making it illegible, which is the same for Safari. So, we'll need to fix that up for cross browser compatibility, which is on the list to do: though only Firefox is going to have the rounded edges, no matter what is done.-Melchizedek  ^talk 05:00, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Okay. Issue has been fixed. -Melchizedek  ^talk 08:43, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

You can actually get the round borders in many browsers, it's just that you do it differently. Instead of "-moz-border-radius" you need "-webkit-border-radius" (for safari, chrome, and a few others) "-khtml-border-radius" (for konquerer) or just "border-radius" (for everything else that supports round borders). That does mean you need to write essentially the same thing 4 times for full support, however... so maybe just put a round border class into monobook.css. Twentytwofiftyseven 23:05, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Wikitroid

I don't get it. Why are you guys making a second Wikitroid? How is that practical? 76.116.73.125 23:32, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

What's this Wikitroid? I never heard of it. 66.140.75.71 00:13, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

http://metroid.wikia.com/ It has 2,165 articles and they aren't all stubs like the ones here. 76.116.73.125 00:14, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

There's already multiple Zelda wikis, Mario wikis, Pokemon wikis, etc., so I fail to see why a second Metroid wiki is any different. And for the record, this wiki is just starting out.Steve 00:15, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

You pointed out that there are multiple wikis (of which, I only know that Zelda has two "high-class" wikis), however you didn't justify the creation of this second Wikitroid. Like I said, it doesn't seem pratical to request peoples' time to do something that was already done. 76.116.73.125 00:17, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

This was created out of Metroid fans wanting to collaborate together and form a wiki, the same as any other. Steve 00:21, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

I don't get it. Why not just work on the existing articles? Having two Zelda wikis is bad enough. 76.116.73.125 00:22, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

At this point you need to just leave, because if you truly believe we are no good, then there's no logic in you being here. Steve 00:26, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Wikia has totalitarian administrators that nobody even knows who they are. I guess we'll just laugh in their faces once we're bigger than them. --Garlic Man 00:52, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

I don't need to leave, and you are being hostile. I'm trying to see if you guys are doing something worth doing or asking people to waste their time. From your responses, it appears to be the latter, but I'd love for you to prove me wrong. 76.116.73.125 00:54, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Well quit wasting your precious time by whining about it then. Garlic Man 00:56, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Hello, Garlic Man. I'm ChozoBoy, an administrator and the top contributor to Wikitroid. I enjoy making art, reading novels, and designing games with educational components. Now you know who I am, but we still do not know who you are! :)

By the way, I don't believe I've ever seen you at Wikitroid in the past few years I've been editing there. ChozoBoy 01:01, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Was that IP address you? Garlic Man 01:05, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

No, I've already posed this question on my talk page, however. I was posting a news story about this project when I came back to look for a response and discovered that I was a totalitarian! :( ChozoBoy 01:11, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Ok, first off welcome guys, and I apologize for the initial hostility of the the two admins, they may have reacted a bit harsh. They have had some very bad experiences at wikia in general over the years. I figured some wikitroid folks would eventually come over here and be like "so bros, wtf!". Let me explain a few things, as I am the founder of this site. Metroid Wiki has no hostile feelings towards Wikitroid itself, I am sure you guys are good folk with solid goals, and I respect the work you guys have done. Unfortunately, wikitroid is not an independent Wiki, which is the significant difference between the two wikis, just like it is a big difference between the Mario Wikia and Super Mario Wiki, as well as Zelda Pedia and Zelda Wiki. What this means is: This wiki doesn't exist to line the pockets of another. Now, obviously, you guys don't feel that way, and you shouldn't. To you, Wikitroid is a solid wiki on a solid network. Unfortunately, wikia is a network purely designed around lineing the pockets of the two people that own it. They have tried on several occasions to buy out Zelda Wiki to combine it's content into Zelda Pedia, and buying out wiki's is exactly the business they are in: Just so they can turn around and force a layout as well as their own standards, and enforce giant advertisements which do nothing but get in the way.

I think you guys can agree, just on initial entrance here, that this wiki's look and feel is much cleaner, and that's just one of several advantages being an independent wiki has. I get the whole "why exist when another does it" - it's the same argument for fan sites. I run Zelda Informer, but why have a Zelda fan site when there is Zelda Universe and Zelda Dungeon? The better question is... why not? Our policies we feel are much more user friendly, and no one gets to line their pockets here at MW: All add revenue goes directly to hosting, and if there is spill over, it will be used for contests and the like to give it right back to those that contribute. Think of this wiki as more a "community oriented" wiki, where as wikitroid, by default of being part of the wikia network, exist to make money. I know it's a hard concept to wrap the mind around, but unfortunately that is what wikia has always been, and always will be. Part of me feels bad for people like you guys that put so much effort into the wiki's there so others can reap the benfits, all while having to conform to ugly layouts and their standards with giant forced ads. It's something we don't do here, and we pride ourselves in the community aspect of being a wiki. Nathanial Rumphol-Janc 01:15, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I love the layout (We just switched ours recently, but I'd love for whoever did this one to lend us a hand!), however our policies aren't exactly very strict, as suggested. Most are derived from RfA's, in which any user may vote. You've mentioned profit quite a few times. Why is profit a concern if none of us are actually concerned with it? (Our goals obviously being to make information readily available.) ChozoBoy 01:26, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

I apologize if I rubbed off as being hostile, it just seemed you were trying to start a fight, and as Nathan has said, I haven't exactly had the best of dealings with Wikia.Steve 01:44, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Certainly not! I'm only inquiring. This anti-Wikia sentiment is new to me. I only really see user contributions at Wikitroid and nothing coming from Wikia has ever gotten me in a tizzy because they aren't around there so I'm not sure whether we are "the rule" or "the exception".

I guess my real question then would be: What exactly is there to be gained in remaking Wikitroid (several of the larger articles here are already rewrites of Wikitroid articles), that wouldn't be surpassed in applying the same level of contribution to the areas that we still need editors to develop over there? ChozoBoy 01:49, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

The bottom line is, we exist because wikitroid is on wikia. Like I said, I have nothing personal against wikitroid, except that it is on, and obviously because it there, supports the wikia network. We, essentially, are anti wikia. They buy out independent wiki's to form what is, essentially, a powerhouse network to feed to their money grubbing hands. Have you seen your Samus Aran page? Never mind that the actual content of it is pretty good - the whole page to is ruined because there 6, count it, 6 banner ads on that page alone. No matter how good the content is, the constant enforcement of wikia banners, especially in those numbers is astounding. Like I said, it's not that wikitroid is a bad wiki, it's that it supports a money grubbing network, or heck for all I know, may have been bought out by said money grubbing network, as they tried to do with Zelda Wiki, did with WoW Wikia, and several other wiki's on their network. Essentially, Wikia is trying to own the net, and eliminate the ability for independent wiki's to exist and be successful. This is why wiki's like this one, Bulbapedia (pokemon wiki), Super Mario Wiki, and Zelda Wiki exist - because we all firmly believe that independent wiki's are the best. Even if they don't have much say on your policies in general, they do have a significant say in teh layout (all wikia's essentially work and look exactly the same, just with different colors) and they all our overrun with monetizing ads. No this doesn't effect you personally.

As I said, this isn't anything against wikitroid - it's the wikia network we do not support, which is why we cannot support Wikitroid, as it is guilty by association. They are trying to buy out the internet, and we are trying to prevent it. Nathanial Rumphol-Janc 02:45, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

I only see the small banners in the lower sidebar and on the very bottom of the page, though I realize that anonymous editors may see one or two more. I doubt that Wikia is trying to "buy out the internet", only wikis (which is sort of their niche, obviously). Suppose that I'm not really bothered by the small ads on the side and bottom, and that I don't care that Wikia makes some funds to fuel more wikis off of the charity work that we do. Is their any other justification to support a complete reworking of this type of thing?

I'm just wondering if this is something I ought to be paying more attention to, because a few of you are very passionate about it, but only seem to be grasping at straws from my perspective. I couldn't say I'd be interested in reestablishing the structure we've built, foresaking the edits I've made, or dropping the projects we're working on in favor of starting from scratch just to drive Wikia to the ground. ChozoBoy 03:01, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

And I'm not asking you to, I am merely explaining to you our position. As for the Samus Aran page: You have the top banner, one below the bottom right of the Samus Aran details, one on the bottom left under wikia answers, 2 at the bottom of the article, and 3 at the bottom of the layout. Thats 8 ads, which basically appear on every page of the wiki. It's monestized, the entire wiki is, and they only want it on their network for money purposes. Did you read that? EIGHT ads. Not even a big gaming site like ign has that many - they top out at 4 if you count the background image. We have had several dealing with the people who run wikia (the two people), and it's clear what their intention is. It's not really grasping at straws - an entirely new network for independent wiki's is in the works to try and counter wikia, because of how they do business. Wiki's are also not "their niche" - they created a network and started buying out wiki's, thats not a niche, that's a corporation. Think google buying out youtube, does that mean daily motion shouldn't exist? Nathanial Rumphol-Janc 03:34, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Just to interject here for a moment. Most Wikia ads are hidden for members of Wikia. So if you are an editor for a Wikia wiki, then most ads are hidden for you when you are logged into it. But most people that view wikis are just viewers, not editors. They are the people you have to think about when it comes to ads. --Matt 05:30, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Examining some of the articles here, I've noticed that these wikis bear advertisements as well. (The double-underlined blue links that create Mouseover bubbles found here, and the green ones at Zelda Wiki.) Your new Samus Aran stub article already has one advertisement and the Metroid Fusion article already contains seven. These advertisements even display for the editors, and aren't related to the wiki. Those described at Wikitroid are for Wikia Spotlight, which Wikitroid plans to apply for shortly, so we will be advertised at all of the Wikia wikis in conjunction with the upcoming release of Metroid: Other M. ChozoBoy 05:59, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

ChozoBoy, let me introduce myself, Cipriano 119 here. I really don't see the benefit of the constant inquisition coming from your side. Really, if someone wants to create a wiki on Metroid, let them do so! Who cares if there is another established one! To be honest, it's about time another wiki showed up in challenge of Wikitroid, as most other Nintendo games have at least two wikis to choose from. Regardless of specifics, this wiki is completely entitled to do what it is doing, and if it is, as in your opinion, wasting people's time, then you really have no business here, as you are ironically wasting your own time arguing! I respect Wikitroid very much, and do see that this wiki is a long ways away from achieving the prestige the Wikia site has, but please, at least give this site some time! =) cipriano one nineteen ^{< T >} 06:15, 11 February 2010 (UTC)