Editing User talk:Nathanial Rumphol-Janc

Hello, I know you are looking for more staff... so, considering how I have no idea how else to put this, would you look into promoting me? I do have an email/msn (mkwiiturboo@hotmail.com) if you want to know more about me and my motives. I apologize if this comes off as power-seeking, and I understand if I am not promoted. [[User:Turboo|Turboo]] 07:06, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

:Hey I added you to msn to talk a bit more. Without talking to you, all I can suggest is you continue to make solid contributions and edits, and we may consider you for a patrol role. Continue to make lots of good edits and we'll talk about giving you more responsibility. In short, earn your way in. :) [[User:Nathanial Rumphol-Janc|Nathanial Rumphol-Janc]] 06:37, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Yeah man. It's great to see a resource like this. :D I've been trying to make a sheet like that for Echoes, but the file format is different, and half the text gets decoded as "^%3'sdfs'dfksdgfvj}"sworij43903" or something. I haven't figured out why. O_o {{User:Twentytwofiftyseven/sig}} 20:47, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

==Wikitroid==
I am an administrator on Wikitroid have just been informed that you used to copy text from Wikitroid, which as you know has been around much longer than this wiki. If you are not the main admin of this wiki, then I DEMAND TO SPEAK TO THE REAL ONE. You said you intend to be independant from Wikia, yet you seem to be very similar, such as the tabs up at the top when editing a page, which wasn't too hard to notice. Block me if you will, but us Wikitroid users already know, and if you do block me, I'll keep coming back. When you launched, I didn't trust you to begin with. I knew you would probably copy from us, and whaddaya know, you did. So I suggest you fix it up or I'll report it to your internet browser. --[[User:RoyboyX|RoyboyX]] 00:32, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
:This looks like a joke..... EVen Wikipedia has those tabs, if you haven't seen. And no content is being copied, show us copied content. Report to internet browser? wow --[[User:Tucayo|Tucayo]] 02:33, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
Wikitroid admins are so intelligible. [[User:Garlic Man|Garlic Man]] 03:03, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Do pardon the Wikitroid admin above. It would appear that some are aggravated by learning of the certain happenstances on this wiki, which I believe you know well about, NRJ. I do apologize on behalf of Wikitroid for any trouble this may have caused you. Thanks, {{User:RAN1/sig}} 03:14, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

:Ah it's no trouble at all. I actually, to be honest, found it quite funny. Claiming we are copying them over the interface to which all wiki's use? Talking about copying content when it pertained to one page and it was already fixed? Report us to our internet browser? I mean, I can't even start to take him seriously. In either case, this wasn't an issue. Not sure why you guys keep insisting to find something wrong with us. We aren't infringing on anyone's rights or even so much as copy pasting. I'm cool if you're cool. [[User:Nathanial Rumphol-Janc|Nathanial Rumphol-Janc]] 03:33, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

::We're not "insisting" anything; we're just trying to resolve this as best we can. I would gladly appreciate it if you guys wouldn't do anything to enflame the situation. Again, I'm sorry for the minor squabble. Thanks, {{User:RAN1/sig}} 04:43, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

== RE: Wikitroid Paraphrasing  ==

I've made sure I've looked at all your policies before I started editing here, (hence the large absence of edits between my account creation and now). So to be honest I'm not sure why you are (or appear to be) directing it at me :/ , But either way I'm glad to be here :). This is one of the better wikis I've seen in my days to be honest, just needs a bit of factual improvement, but thats's what I'm here for. Thanks! --[[User:Dr. Polarbear|Dr. Polarbear]] 07:12, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

== SEO and Fair Play ==

You know, a little while back, you assured us that you would follow a 'fair play' doctrine when writing this wiki, basing it on the quality of the content.  However, now it seems you are experimenting with 'dirty' SEO on your Main Page, such as flooding keywords or spamming links.  When you assured us you would play fair, we chose to accept that and your competition.  However, if you choose to play dirty, we reserve ourselves the right to respond accordingly.  Do like we do, and base your popularity on your wiki's content, not on spammed links or floods of keywords.  Play fair, and we'll play fair.  Play dirty, and we'll play dirty. As such, consider yourself warned. '''[[User:RAN1|<font color="darkred">R</font>]][[User talk:RAN1|<font color="navy">A</font>]][[Special:Contributions/RAN1|<font color="darkgreen">N</font>]]1''' 16:44, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

:Linking to game pages and key pages from the main index isn't dirty or underhanded. Most wiki's link to their prominent content and game stuff on the front. At wikitroid, you guys do the same thing under the top content section/game nav on the left. Unfortunately MediaWiki doesn't support such a navigation. I am sorry you feel this is "dirty" or something, but your saying "do like we do and base yourself on your content". We are basing ourselves on our content... like every other site. Zelda Informer (my other site) does the same thing... and so do most fan sites. It's not dirty, it's highlighting top content, just like you guys do in your navigation. I apologize you disagree with this but lol. One paragraph and your making SEO threats? Really? Why do you guys continually appear to be butt hurt with anything we do? You do your thing, we'll do ours. [[User:Nathanial Rumphol-Janc|Nathanial Rumphol-Janc]] 20:00, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

:: Yeah, that's how the Cold War almost turned into a global nuclear genocide.  Everyone's stockpiling and pointing nukes at each other, so we should too! '''[[User:RAN1|<font color="darkred">R</font>]][[User talk:RAN1|<font color="navy">A</font>]][[Special:Contributions/RAN1|<font color="darkgreen">N</font>]]1''' 01:35, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

:::How is highlighting the content of ones site "playing dirty?" Please explain this to me. As somebody who works for an SEO company, there are two types of SEO: black hat and white hat. Black hat SEO is the dirty stuff: Spamming and misleading spiders and gaming the algorithms. White hat SEO, on the other hand, is merely optimizing your content in an '''honest''' way to ensure that search spiders can properly crawl your site: Linking to internal pages and using '''accurate''' keywords that summarize your content. --[[User:Captain Cornflake|Captain Cornflake]] 02:48, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

::::Let me put it like this, nice and clear: it's dirty in terms of how you promised fairness in your competition. The point of a wiki is to provide information in the form of content on a specific topic(s), in a polished and complete form, and then advertise such content on the Main Page. However, after reading what [http://forums.zeldainformer.com/topic/6260-guys-who-is-with-me-lets-start-a-metroid-wiki/page__st__140__p__128102&#entry128102 you guys have said yourself], it becomes quite clear to us that you only want to boost your Google search ratings by "highlighting" stubs using Metroid keywords webcrawlers search for. Additionally, Captain Cornflake happened to paraphrase our ''Metroid: Zero Mission'' article while setting up the SEO paragraph, and that does not sound like a coincidence to me. So it isn't fair play as far as we're concerned, and unless you really think that what you said at ZI there is a complete lie, and that you didn't paraphrase our article ([[Talk:Luminoth#Content paraphrasing|which you happen to admit here]]), please explain to me how that doesn't constitute trying to use SEO in the fashion I've talked about. Captain Cornflake, I'm not going to even bother with your last statement. I would have brought that up in a report to Google in such a case if I really wanted to, and as you can see, that's not even my point. If you'd like to join this discussion, keep it on-topic, please.

::::Now, like I said, if you decide to play fair, and not attempt to use SEO in lieu of actually creating the content yourself, we won't even bother with Metroid Wiki about this particular topic. However, if you don't play fair, and instead try to "cheat" by abusing keywords, "stealing" our articles, and other dirty SEO tactics, let it be known that we will do what we will as we see fit. '''[[User:RAN1|<font color="darkred">R</font>]][[User talk:RAN1|<font color="navy">A</font>]][[Special:Contributions/RAN1|<font color="darkgreen">N</font>]]1''' 00:37, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

:::::So wait, you're basically saying that it should be you and you alone who gets to determine what kind of SEO tactics are "fair play" and expect Metroid Wiki to use only those? So far the only real issue I see here is that a couple of paragraphs of the Zero Mission article were copy-pasted from your site. Since 90% of that text was from the manual, it was probably just an honest mistake. I mean, once you notice you're reading something that's already been copy-pasted from the manual, it's logical to assume that the rest of the chapter is too. Besides, I already went in and fixed this issue, so there you go.--[[User:Uncle Meat|Uncle Meat]] 10:10, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

::::::I love how he assumes I "paraphrased Wikitroid" (''he should check page histories, see [[Talk:Metroid: Zero Mission|this page]]'') even though I don't even do shit here aside from technical and SEO stuff. I would like to see you complain to Google, considering that none of the SEO I do for Metroid Wiki is dishonest. And as for "doing as you see fit," you know something? Blow it out your ass. This isn't your site, so with all intended disrespect towards you, if you and the other Wikitroid idiots that have no purpose here other than to serve as a bunch of self-righteous nannies, please fuck off.

::::::We let you guys hang around to point out content that users may be copying because it makes the jobs of the administrators here easier. '''Do not''' abuse that privilege. --[[User:Captain Cornflake|Captain Cornflake]] 17:18, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

:Alright, so I wont break down and use some of the language being thrown around as really it seems pointless, but all I can say is stfu. Let me ask you RAN1, who are you to tell us what is and is not fair play? Are you an SEO expert? Are we to listen to the imaginary guide lines you have set before you? We are creating content. We are improving our content. We are adding to our content and do our best to eliminate any content that is copied from Wikitroid. However, you are sitting here trying to take a non-issue and make it an issue. You have made some very strange threats, such as if we don't "play fair" prepare for Wikitroid to respond. Respond how, by actually making your site SEO friendly? Why wouldn't you be doing that already? Or, do you mean by reporting us? As capn said... good luck with that. Everything we have done, to this point, has been within our right to do and does not break any SEO rules. 

:Look, I do RESPECT what Wikitroid has done, but in the same breath, really from the word go, a handful of Wikitroid people, both admins and users, have come here to start crap over nothing. So were SEOing Metroid Wiki. So we are going to target key search terms. Your point? It's not like were not going to make content, it's that were getting people to actually COME to the wiki, you know, to EXPAND IT. Unlike Wikitroid, we don't have some founding base to build from. We have a handfull of people from Zelda Informer. This whole mess is silly. How about you guys worry about your own wiki, and as capn said, use your ability to talk freely here in a productive manner: Pointing out where things may be copy pasted to help out our admins. What this entire discussion here seems to be is nothing other than Wikitroid showing, yet again, it can't be mature about anything and feels the need to make empty "threats" to us. Anyone still remember when they threatened to take legal action for us even existing? Good times. [[User:Nathanial Rumphol-Janc|Nathanial Rumphol-Janc]] 19:48, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

I am in fact utterly astounded at you people and your apparent, condescending lack of civility thereof. RAN1's comment shows absolutely nothing deserving of the type of response it received, and I am not just saying this due to him being a fellow administrator of Wikitroid. You people have the right to be angry at these accusations, that is a given, but you do not have the right to blow it out of proportion through the use of vile slang and uncivilized behavior, as such nearly ever one of you has portrayed. Even in war, there is no single reason to be as uncivil as this. I will not even go as far as to waste my breath on explaining how and why your attitudes are completely ridiculous, as to do so would waste far too much of my personal life than I would ever prefer. And about this SEO nonsense... The purpose of a search engine such as Google, is to give its users answers. Google does this by taking an inputed word or phrase, and basically scanning its worldwide archive of webpages and their sub-pages, to locate said word/phrase. Just as well, Google also takes into account how many of that given phrase is on a webpage, through which, it establishes a list of what it believes to be the most valuable pages pertaining to the given phrase, based on (basically) how many of the given phrase is on that individual webpage or website. And for an encyclopedic website, such as Metroid Wiki, Wikitroid, or Zelda Wiki, this "scanning of keywords and phrases" is crucial for a search engine to give it's users the best source of information. And you people here on Metroid Wiki are actually manipulating this search function, into making your Wiki appear to be the best source of Metroid information, which it isn't, at least not yet, which I wish you luck on in the future. And by manipulating the search engine's functionality as such, you are quite frankly, lying to your own community and your own viewers. "Cheating" is certainly not the best word to be used in describing it, but the matter still remains: you are in fact lying to the online community. And that doesn't make it "cheating", but it does in fact, make it ''wrong''. And for you people to actually choose to do a thing such as this, means that your Wiki is based  solely on a lie. And that, to me, is proof enough of what your attitudes truly are. [[User:Piratehunter|<span style="color:#ff0000;"><u>'''''P'''''</u></span><span style="color:#ff1400;"><u>'''''i'''''</u></span><span style="color:#ff2800;"><u>'''''r'''''</u></span><span style="color:#ff3c00;"><u>'''''a'''''</u></span><span style="color:#ff5000;"><u>'''''t'''''</u></span><span style="color:#ff6400;"><u>'''''e'''''</u></span><span style="color:#ff7800;"><u>'''''h'''''</u></span><span style="color:#ffa000;"><u>'''''u'''''</u></span><span style="color:#ffb400;"><u>'''''n'''''</u></span><span style="color:#ffc800;"><u>'''''t'''''</u></span><span style="color:#ffdc00;"><u>'''''e'''''</u></span><span style="color:#fff000;"><u>'''''r'''''</u></span>]] 22:33, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

:YES I SMOKE SHIT, STRAIGHT OFF THE ROACH CLIP, I ROACH IT, ROLL THE BLUNT AT ONCE TO APPROACH IT --[[User:Captain Cornflake|Captain Cornflake]] 01:06, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

::Capn's trolling aside, the point of google is to help the user find what they are looking for. It doesn't necessarily matter if you are indeed the "best" source for something, it matters that the user does, indeed, find what they are looking for. Example: We have a walkthrough for Spirit Tracks. It is by far not the best walkthrough, but it is highly unique in it's nature and was the first one in existence. Should we not strive for top rankings because there are better ones out there? The information still works and gets the job done. Were not lying to anyone, were getting our content out there to those that use google. If you can't grasp that, I feel sorry for you. [[User:Nathanial Rumphol-Janc|Nathanial Rumphol-Janc]] 01:18, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
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-== Staff Request ==
 Hello, I know you are looking for more staff... so, considering how I have no idea how else to put this, would you look into promoting me? I do have an email/msn (mkwiiturboo@hotmail.com) if you want to know more about me and my motives. I apologize if this comes off as power-seeking, and I understand if I am not promoted. [[User:Turboo|Turboo]] 07:06, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
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 ::Capn's trolling aside, the point of google is to help the user find what they are looking for. It doesn't necessarily matter if you are indeed the "best" source for something, it matters that the user does, indeed, find what they are looking for. Example: We have a walkthrough for Spirit Tracks. It is by far not the best walkthrough, but it is highly unique in it's nature and was the first one in existence. Should we not strive for top rankings because there are better ones out there? The information still works and gets the job done. Were not lying to anyone, were getting our content out there to those that use google. If you can't grasp that, I feel sorry for you. [[User:Nathanial Rumphol-Janc|Nathanial Rumphol-Janc]] 01:18, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
-==Re: Welcome==
-Thank you for your message. I created an account because two minor things on two pages caught my attention, and I wanted to fix them. I haven't played a single installment of the Metroid series, so I fear that my edits here will be very scarce. I will however try to fix anything formatting related I coincidentally come across. I hope you guys will succeed with your project. - [[User:Edofenrir|Edofenrir]] 23:37, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
-== Re: Welcome ==
-Thanks, I will be. I'm trying to create at least ten articles a day.
-==Metroid Wiki needs Users==
-Since you handle publicity, is there anything at all you can do to increase our user numbers? We are in need of people, this wiki is still young but I think we need more editors. I'm hoping Other M puts up enough hype with fans to influx the number of accounts. But Other M is a long ways from now. Where is Metroid Wiki advertised anyways? [[User:Malake256|Malake256]] 03:00, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
-:I think it's safe to say that it'll be joining Zelda and Wikirby in the NIWA. - {{User:TheSuperZeldaMan/sig}} 22:14, 24 May 2010 (PCS)
-:This site has been primarily advertised at Zelda Informer - in fact that is where a majority of the hit base comes from. We get about 400 hits a day and ZI is a big reason for that. It has also been advertised by Zelda Wiki, Bulbapedia, and WiKirby. Unfortunately, Super Mario Wiki has yet to advertise us, but I am confident one day they will. GoNintendo also advertised us close to our launch date, though ideally getting advertised now when we actually have some content would of been better.
-:I agree that we need more editors, even still, but the metroid community is rather small on the net. We have been supported by one metroid fan site, and the biggest one (metroid database) is full of Wikitroid supporters. [[User:Nathanial Rumphol-Janc|Nathanial Rumphol-Janc]] 14:17, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
-== Request for MetroidWikiChat ==
-Hello, I am a big fan of the METROID series, from the original METROID on the NES to [METROID] 'Other M'. I do not know if you already have an IRC chat client dedicated to METROID, but I would like to propose one. I think having a chat would promote the community, users could speak to you, or other higher-ups directly, and ask questions about where they are in the game at that moment instead of waiting for a response over days.
-If you are interested, I've already regged the channel #MetroidWikiChat so if you go here:
-http://chat.mibbit.com/#MetroidWikiChat
-I'll be there as the owner, you, and all the other Administrators, or Moderators would immediately obtain Admin status in the chat, second only to the owner. I hope you consider this as an opportunity to answer any questions that new players would need answered on the spot. It's also a good way for anyone to get to know each other on a personal level. If you decide to accept this, then just enter the chat, I'll be there and we can talk about it there.
-~KaiZer
-:We already do have a way for users to chat with other users and staff (see our [[Metroid Wiki:Skype|Skype page]]), so not really sure if we need an IRC. You'll have to wait until the next time Nate gets on for the final say. {{:User:Metroidking/sig}} 21:07, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
-::Oh, I see. I just feel that to have users download Skype is asking a bit too much, don't you? With an IRC client like this, all people have to do is click on the link, then there you go, you're in the chat. No dowloading, no waiting, and Skype can prove troublesome, when so many people are there, it can get confusing. In my honest opinion, an IRC chat client would prove much more efficient. but I will keep tabs on this page and see what you guys think about it. Thanks for responding! :)            ~KaiZer
-:::The thing with IRC is that it requires java, and no, not everyone actually has java. Outside of that requirement (which is in reference to needing to download skype), IRC is clunky as it is and is best  used with a external program (xchat, mirc, etc). While IRC has it's benefits (I still use it for some things), the benefits of skype far outweigh those of IRC, primarily due to logging the chat while your offline. This allows the users to catch up ont he current conversation very easily.
-::: I do appreciate the ambition though. It is possible we could offer both solutions, but it's doubtful both stay active. We do need more editors, so I am open to anything that could cause us to gain members. [[User:Nathanial Rumphol-Janc|Nathanial Rumphol-Janc]] 14:28, 14 October 2010 (UTC)